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    this is about a month old, but i couldn't find this addressed in any other HT thread. from abcnews.com:

    A scene in TV's "Desperate Housewives" that used Philippine medical education for a punchline prompted angry calls from viewers, an online petition demanding an apology and criticism from Philippine officials.

    In the season premiere that aired Sunday on ABC, Teri Hatcher's character, Susan, goes in for a medical checkup and is shocked when the doctor suggests she may be going through menopause.

    "Listen, Susan, I know for a lot of women the word `menopause'" has negative connotations. You hear `aging,' `brittle bones,' `loss of sexual desire,'" the gynecologist tells her.

    "OK, before we go any further, can I check these diplomas? Just to make sure they aren't, like, from some med school in the Philippines?" Susan fires back.
    the offending clip's on youtube here.

    this was just sloppy scriptwriting. instead of saying "some med school in the philippines," teri hatcher's character could have said something like, "just to make sure they're for real," or "just to make sure they aren't forged" or "just to make sure it's not an internet degree." they could have avoided the whole ugly thing, which now includes a planned $500 million class action lawsuit. sheesh. even michelle malkin, miss-i'm-filipina-when-convenient, weighed in (and no, i'm NOT gonna link to that).

    numbers of fili MDs from usasianwire.com:

    According to the American Physicians Association, based on the Census in 2005, there were 19,000 Philippine-trained practicing physicians in the US. A study made by AMA also shows that the Philippines ranks second to India as the top suppliers of doctors fulfilling the demand in the US , and outranks all other countries in supply of dentists and nurses.
    i wonder how many nurses in the US are filipino/filipino-american.

    on a side note: not that DH (which i don't watch) is supposed to be based completely in reality, but when the doctor (played, to my delight, by nathan filiom -- captain mal of firefly) tells teri hatcher that she's pregnant loud enough that someone else about ten feet away can hear, he's violating federal health information privacy laws. what he did there was a $20,000 violation. any HIPAA/hospital corporate compliance officers watching the show must have groaned at that one.

    anyway, the comment has been made that teri hatcher's character is supposed to be an airhead. i'm not sure how palatable that argument makes the slur. archie bunker's very racist character was very effective in showing how wrong racism is via reverse psychology; i doubt that DH was ever meant to be that socially enlightening. as i said before--the slur is evidence of sloppy writing. it just happened to be quite offensive and derogatory towards an ethnic group that is largely invisible in the US bcs we "look like" other ethnic groups or we purposely "pass for" being of another ethnic group, even tho we've been in the US since the 1500s and even tho we're the second largest asian american group (chinese being the largest). being flip wasn't really cool until recently. i've heard that many filis in the mainland claimed to be hawaiian (go figure) or more broadly, "pacific islander" (i see this in myspace all the time and can't believe it's always a misunderstanding of the geographic placement of the PI). so while i think the $500 mil lawsuit is a bit much, my people do have a flair for the dramatic, and it's nice to see that we won't take it just laying down.
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    I saw that episode. Yeah, Susan is an airhead... says stupid things all the time. I hate her character. And yes, I thought it was funny. *shrugs*

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikki View Post
    I saw that episode. Yeah, Susan is an airhead... says stupid things all the time. I hate her character. And yes, I thought it was funny. *shrugs*
    It did raise an eyebrow when I watched that episode, but I really think this class action lawsuit's ridiculous. My Papa (University of Santo Tomas, Doctor of Medicine '60) thinks so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Liko View Post
    It did raise an eyebrow when I watched that episode, but I really think this class action lawsuit's ridiculous. My Papa (University of Santo Tomas, Doctor of Medicine '60) thinks so too.

    I swear...people always need a reason to bitch about something.
    yeah--i think pointing to it and saying it's wrong is one thing, but the class action lawsuit? that's overkill. ABC already deleted the scene and issued an apology. but the lawsuit just feeds the worst stereotypes about our people AND doctors. you almost hope that if the plaintiff physicians won, they'd donate their winnings to those in the mother country who have no access to medical care and need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikki View Post
    I saw that episode. Yeah, Susan is an airhead... says stupid things all the time. I hate her character. And yes, I thought it was funny. *shrugs*

    BUt "Susan" is a character, acting like an airhead. She(teri)is following script. It has to do with the writers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TATTRAT View Post
    BUt "Susan" is a character, acting like an airhead. She(teri)is following script. It has to do with the writers.
    Yeah, I know. What I meant was, Susan's character is always saying stupid things. I took it as a joke... it's just a stupid joke. People should chill.

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    Thought this one might be too complex to touch but den again, I no skaiyd.

    I agree that certain groups are hypersensitive to any public or private attacks (see Dog thread). Don’t ever insult a black or a Jew for instance. I also agree that certain groups are "insulted" with impunity. Filipinos and Portuguese for example. I also know that Haoles as a group and Christians as a group are constantly generalized and marginalized within the hallowed halls of higher learning institutions. So there are inequalities and they exist for reasons that are far too complex to try to even explain. I don’t think anyone has the complete answer as to why we accept these differences in how we treat groups of people.

    That being said, this generalization was not made out of the blue as a baseless attack on the intelligence of Filipinos. There have been numerous cases that I have heard of casually in which specifically Filipino health care professionals were allowed to practice, as a group, in the United States even though they failed to pass the board examinations. I know this occurred with nurses, optometrists and medical doctors. Probably more. You can look it up yourself or just don’t believe me but I know it has happened. There is a ton of politics and money and business behind these decisions and I don’t claim to know the details, but it is a fact that many if not most Filipino trained health care professionals do not pass the board examinations of their respective professions when they come to the United States.

    I have wondered why we allow this. Aren’t you shocked to know that certain doctors, nurses and other professionals are currently practicing in the United States and yet could not and did not pass the Board examinations? Well it’s a fact. I think part of the reason they have allowed this practice is because we are in dire need of health care providers and Filipinos are DAMN GOOD at caring for people, something that you cannot teach and which is probably more important that your ability to memorize massive amounts of data. Is that racist to complement a culture on their warmth and their work ethic and their ability to care for their fellow man? I don’t know. Filipinos can tell me I guess. But that’s my explanation for why this was allowed and still might be.

    That is where this line in the show came from. It was from a real life “watering down” of the standards in professional certification and not a mindless racist attack. That’s my 2 cents.

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    in order for a dr to practice in the US, he/she needs to be board certified, something you can check with HMSA or whatever insurance have you.


    there are a lot of filipino doctors that have practices in the Philippines, but when they come to the US they have to settle for being a nurse or something else because they do not want to have to go to school again to get the needed certification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    in order for a dr to practice in the US, he/she needs to be board certified, something you can check with HMSA or whatever insurance have you.


    there are a lot of filipino doctors that have practices in the Philippines, but when they come to the US they have to settle for being a nurse or something else because they do not want to have to go to school again to get the needed certification.
    You are correct that some filipino doctors have to practice as nurses but it all depends upon the state they live in. Some state legilatures have allowed them to practice WITHOUT passing the test. Yes, they have to be "board certified" but the legislature granted that certification to them. They did not pass the test.

    Like I said, this has occured with a handful of health care professions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericncyn View Post
    [...]this was just sloppy scriptwriting. [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by TATTRAT View Post
    BUt "Susan" is a character, acting like an airhead. She(teri)is following script. It has to do with the writers.
    Just an aside...
    For the most part, actors in episodic tv and features are allowed some degree of input into their characters and lines. Had I been Teri I might've questioned the reference and offered an alternate. I'm not blaming Teri but there is usually room to negotiate questionable dialogue. Who knows...maybe that was attempted and overruled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuelakea View Post
    You are correct that some filipino doctors have to practice as nurses but it all depends upon the state they live in. Some state legilatures have allowed them to practice WITHOUT passing the test. Yes, they have to be "board certified" but the legislature granted that certification to them. They did not pass the test.

    Like I said, this has occured with a handful of health care professions.
    recheck your facts or provide a link...

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    It may be offensive, but people actually DO say things like that, and if her character is a ditz, then this is something likely to come out of her mouth. If people get uptight and PC about everything on TV, TV will really start become even more lame than it already is.

    I guess that why I watch HBO and Showtime. No punches pulled there.

    I think the statement offends the Phillipine government, laws, and standards of practice and not so much it's people.

    I say lighten up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikiyaki View Post
    It may be offensive, but people actually DO say things like that, and if her character is a ditz, then this is something likely to come out of her mouth. If people get uptight and PC about everything on TV, TV will really start become even more lame than it already is.

    I guess that why I watch HBO and Showtime. No punches pulled there.

    I think the statement offends the Phillipine government, laws, and standards of practice and not so much it's people.

    I say lighten up.
    I agree. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tikiyaki View Post
    It may be offensive, but people actually DO say things like that, and if her character is a ditz, then this is something likely to come out of her mouth. If people get uptight and PC about everything on TV, TV will really start become even more lame than it already is.

    I guess that why I watch HBO and Showtime. No punches pulled there.

    I think the statement offends the Phillipine government, laws, and standards of practice and not so much it's people.

    I say lighten up.
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    The show should be pulled off the air! (Joke)
    For that comment to be broadcast nationwide.
    Calling a whole group (racial even) substandard.
    Funny the inequities that go on in this world, eh?!

    See how ridiculous it can all get?
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    Sadly, it's the truth for a lot of immigrant professionals. You should see how many NYC cabbies have MD's, JD's, and PE's.

    It's the people who don't understand the "joke" on the show that should be ashamed.
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    In undergrad, people would talk about Panama and Grenada (I think) as places to go to med school if you didn't get in in the USA.

    It is a common conclusion that they are easier to get into.

    Would there be equal outcry if they had substituted Grenada or Panama?

    Fact is there are differences between the training of health care professionals in the US versus the Philippines and I donít recall Manila being the center of medical research or achievement. Thatís not a racist remark. Its just a fact.

    The Philippines does have some of the worldís nicest people, the best looking women and definitely the best prisoner dancers. Now is that all racist?

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    some stuff from the net about healthcare workers in the US originally from the PI:

    USAToday story on PI doctor & his choices to become a nurse in US

    piece from workpermit.com illustrating why it's attractive for PI MD to decredential & be a US nurse

    standards for foreign MDs wanting to work as US MDs...direct quote from American Medical Association president included.

    I'll paste an except from that last link here:


    The American Medical Association, through its president, Dr. Ronald M. Davis, sent a strongly-worded protest letter to Stephen McPherson, president, ABC Entertainment Network in Burbank, California, calling the slur "insensitive and appalling," and demanding for "an apology to our physician membership and to the Filipino physician community."

    Dr. Davis stated that "over 25% of the US physician population are international medical graduates who had to pass numerous tests and clinical assessments before entering graduate medical residency training in the United States," and that "to suggest that a particular segment of the physician population is somehow less qualified than other physicians because of where he/she went to medical school is offensive, unfair and discriminatory."

    ....

    The anesthesiologist of former president Ronald Reagan, when he had colorectal surgery, and when he had prostate surgery, was a Filipino. Former president Bill Clinton also had a Filipina physician when he had his knee surgery.

    All one has to do to gauge the competence and performance of the Filipino physicians in the United States is to ask Nancy Reagan, Hilary Clinton, all those millions of patients of the Filipino physicians, and their American colleagues, who refer them patients. The inspiring testimonial and expression of support from the two distinguished and giant organizations of physicians in the United States, the American Medical Association and the American College of Surgeons, are a strong testament to the American institutionís high regard and respect for the Filipino physicians who are graduates "of some med school in the Philippines."
    seriously, anyone who wants to make blanket statements about the inferiority of physician training in the PI versus in the US, or about the inferiority of filipino physicians who learned their trade in the US and now practice as MDs in the US can lick my dirty ass for what such statements are worth. you simply cannot work as an MD in the US without passing certain standards, whether you were trained at a US med school or elsewhere.

    i work daily, not only with MDs originally from the PI, but from MDs from china, india, and other nations. i'm privy to info about any MDs who have "gone bad" by acting disrespectfully or by practicing below standard. four years of doing what i do for my organization has shown me that foreign-trained MDs who pass credentialling in the US are just as good as the MDs who went to US schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuelakea View Post
    The Philippines does have some of the worldís nicest people, the best looking women and definitely the best prisoner dancers. Now is that all racist?
    "Prisoner dancers"???

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    "Prisoner dancers"???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericncyn View Post
    seriously, anyone ...... can lick my dirty ass for what such statements are worth.
    Really? Link? How about we at least exchange photos first, then coffee? Are you height weight proportional? Or may get right down to business?
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    my dirty ass
    ericcyn,

    I read your links. They leave out the big WHY. THat is WHY these Filipino M.D.s can't come to the U.S. and become an M.D. You said you work with many foreign born M.D.s and they are good? So how could those Chinese, Indians etc. come to the U.S. and become M.Ds while the Filipinos have to become nurses? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.

    The arguement in your links was that they make way more as a U.S. nurse than they do as a Philippine Doctor. Okay, so wouldn't they make even more as a U.S. Doctor? Don't Doctors get paid more than Nurses in general?

    The line in the show was not an attack on "FILIPINOS". It was a line that alluded to an education recieved in the Philippines (one could substitute Grenada or Panama). Itís the same kind of attitude like "oh, you went public school" from the Iolani or Punahou crowd.

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    ericcyn,

    I read your links. They leave out the big WHY. THat is WHY these Filipino M.D.s can't come to the U.S. and become an M.D. You said you work with many foreign born M.D.s and they are good? So how could those Chinese, Indians etc. come to the U.S. and become M.Ds while the Filipinos have to become nurses? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking.

    The arguement in your links was that they make way more as a U.S. nurse than they do as a Philippine Doctor. Okay, so wouldn't they make even more as a U.S. Doctor? Don't Doctors get paid more than Nurses in general?

    The line in the show was not an attack on "FILIPINOS". It was a line that alluded to an education recieved in the Philippines (one could substitute Grenada or Panama). Itís the same kind of attitude like "oh, you went public school" from the Iolani or Punahou crowd.
    hey go google Dr. Jorge Camara, Dr. Elenita Alvarez, etc who are filipino and are rated #1 in their profession. i know there's more but what the heck go google yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericncyn View Post
    some stuff from the net about healthcare workers in the US originally from the PI:

    USAToday story on PI doctor & his choices to become a nurse in US

    piece from workpermit.com illustrating why it's attractive for PI MD to decredential & be a US nurse

    standards for foreign MDs wanting to work as US MDs...direct quote from American Medical Association president included.

    I'll paste an except from that last link here:




    seriously, anyone who wants to make blanket statements about the inferiority of physician training in the PI versus in the US, or about the inferiority of filipino physicians who learned their trade in the US and now practice as MDs in the US can lick my dirty ass for what such statements are worth. you simply cannot work as an MD in the US without passing certain standards, whether you were trained at a US med school or elsewhere.

    i work daily, not only with MDs originally from the PI, but from MDs from china, india, and other nations. i'm privy to info about any MDs who have "gone bad" by acting disrespectfully or by practicing below standard. four years of doing what i do for my organization has shown me that foreign-trained MDs who pass credentialling in the US are just as good as the MDs who went to US schools.
    co-sign. American policies for licensure professions, education, and the academy are rooted in discriminatory immigration practices. I work with (not for) public schools, and too often do I see Filipino/a students being retained for 1 or 2 years to "adjust" to US public ed. Nearly all of the time, these students are smarter than their peers because of the Phlippines' accelerated public ed system (high school is completed at age 16). It's a dangerous pairing of prejudice and human nature to equate a foreign accent with inferior ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CranBeree View Post
    hey go google Dr. Jorge Camara, Dr. Elenita Alvarez, etc who are filipino and are rated #1 in their profession. i know there's more but what the heck go google yourself.
    Eh,. gooogle dis right heeah. ANd google to you too.

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