Graffitti

[1stwahine]

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Sadly Hawai'i is filled with these sad excuses for "serving the people". And the ones that thrive to be police officers now know they have these perks and/or exemptions.. I even know families that have admitted to encouraging thier young adults to become cops in order to gain these perks. I honestly believe there is no difference between the criminals we put in exile vs. the cops we choose to protect us.

This really should be in the other thread as you stated. However, as a mom of a soon to be HPD Officer, I have to answer. I didn't encourage my daughter to join to gain any perks. She decided on her own because she wanted to make a difference. She is already a Military Police Officer in the Air Force.

Yes, I agree with you and I have publicly said that HPD is filled with many Bad Apples. Luckily, for us the majority of them are Top Cops! When something goes wrong...who do you call? 911...Police are sent to help. If ever an Emergency such as the ones which happened in N.Y. or New Orleans should occur ~ I know I'd be in the best protection under the Honolulu Police Department and the men and women who serve under it.

L.V.

[craigwatanabe]

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"they" have read it.. none of them were moved by the false send of truth you love to front of on the subject of graffiti. Nice try!

Until the next time you decide to bless us with your profound enlightenment check your nearest freeway sign or rooftop so you may enjoy their next masterpiece. cheee heeee!

I wasn't trying my friend, just stating the facts. But as I can see...you just don't get it yet. A child will act like one until he grows up, that's the way it is, nothing bad about that and nothing false just the simple truth.

And there is no false sense of graffiti being vandalism because it is or else why in the world do taggers run like cockaroaches everytime the light of day comes by unless they truely are afraid of being caught.

Kimo...I'm not trying to bless you with any profound enlightenment here do I look like a friggin Monk? Unlike true masterpieces, no one tries to cover up the Mona Lisa. No one has decried it as vandalism.

Look I tried and failed to reason with you and you come back with these kinds of responses. Yes I failed in trying to be reasonable to you but then again I'm trying to reason with you in a world that you believe to be so. Unfortunately, that's not the world we all share. You can have your space I can have mine and collectively we can share it together. But in that space we have to agree to a certain set of rules or else it's back to your space.

It's your choice either play nicely or not but the consequences will be mostly against the perpetrator who decides not to play by the rules.

Eventually you'll grow up and see the world as the rest of us do. And if you don't believe me, just look at our beloved congressman Neil Ambercrombie.

No unfounded truths here Kimo...just the facts ma'am. And if you didn't get that one then I know you're too young to understand anything I'm saying. You did get that one didn't you?

Oh BTW: Cheeee heeee to you too (geez that sounds so panty)

[Kimo's Bruddah]

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I wasn't trying my friend, just stating the facts. But as I can see...you just don't get it yet. A child will act like one until he grows up, that's the way it is, nothing bad about that and nothing false just the simple truth.

And there is no false sense of graffiti being vandalism because it is or else why in the world do taggers run like cockaroaches everytime the light of day comes by unless they truely are afraid of being caught.

Kimo...I'm not trying to bless you with any profound enlightenment here do I look like a friggin Monk? Unlike true masterpieces, no one tries to cover up the Mona Lisa. No one has decried it as vandalism.

Look I tried and failed to reason with you and you come back with these kinds of responses. Yes I failed in trying to be reasonable to you but then again I'm trying to reason with you in a world that you believe to be so. Unfortunately, that's not the world we all share. You can have your space I can have mine and collectively we can share it together. But in that space we have to agree to a certain set of rules or else it's back to your space.

It's your choice either play nicely or not but the consequences will be mostly against the perpetrator who decides not to play by the rules.

Eventually you'll grow up and see the world as the rest of us do. And if you don't believe me, just look at our beloved congressman Neil Ambercrombie.

No unfounded truths here Kimo...just the facts ma'am. And if you didn't get that one then I know you're too young to understand anything I'm saying. You did get that one didn't you?

Oh BTW: Cheeee heeee to you too (geez that sounds so panty)

uh my response was not intended to you... but ok the hell with it

Taggers run cause uh... they don't want to get caught.. simple as that. Remember because graffiti is illegal is why we have Graffiti artist.

Anyone can call their statements facts we'll just let you live in the world you want to live in. Ignorance is bliss!

I don't know if you look like one but you try to sound like a "friggin monk". Lemme try sound like one: You can teach an new dog tricks but an old man you can't teach ____! Damn I suck.. I'll stick to debating.

No one can cover up or tag the Mona Lisa because its heavily guaraded in a museum, however that one day, I imagine, will change. And your opinion as the Mona Lisa being a masterpiece may be that of your own and the others who think alike. I don't. I'd have no problem taggin' it if I could.. but more importantly I'd burned that thing and all of what it represents. You're right it isn't vandalism cause it wasn't another person's property... lepo!

this space is your space thing is wonderful... I'm just questioning the rules.. and why society agrees with those set rules. Not hard to understand. You like to preach like these jesus groupies trying to change the ideaologies of everyone they thing is not of their "kind". I like to debate, rise questions, reciprocate, INTELLIGENTLY.. simple.

Again you can make all the black and white statements about rules but when its a loved one or worse yet your child that makes a decision against these rules we shall see how quickly you change your view. And that is truth! You may be content with following the rest of the cattle but I and many like me believe there is more to this blasphemous way of life our so called government tells us to live by.

Maybe you're too old to understand such open minded concepts... non absolutes, and a broad sense of humanity.

I shall tell all my Halawa Prison Guard friends that I drink with once a week about your comment about their moke antic: Chee Hee!

"rolls eyes": NOW THAT IS PANTY! FRIGGIN' MAHU!

Chee Heee!

[Peshkwe]

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Chile...you ain't gonna tag on t Mona. Yanno why? 'Cause ol Leonardo had some mad skilz and back in the day...he was looked at as crazier than a shithouse rat for the most....not so different than y'all.


And take off yer shoes when you come into someones house.

How you like it if you get someone come in yo house, start rearranging the furnature. You say be coo and use the ashtray n' mind the kids and the pets. but then they go on and cuss out yer shorties, kick the cat, and piss in the potted plants?

And will you puhleese quit molesting the dog! Sets the sucker off his kibble bigtime.





So....

You a tagger, bomber or an arteest?

[craigwatanabe]

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uh my response was not intended to you... but ok the hell with it

Taggers run cause uh... they don't want to get caught.. simple as that. Remember because graffiti is illegal is why we have Graffiti artist.

Anyone can call their statements facts we'll just let you live in the world you want to live in. Ignorance is bliss!

I don't know if you look like one but you try to sound like a "friggin monk". Lemme try sound like one: You can teach an new dog tricks but an old man you can't teach ____! Damn I suck.. I'll stick to debating.

No one can cover up or tag the Mona Lisa because its heavily guaraded in a museum, however that one day, I imagine, will change. And your opinion as the Mona Lisa being a masterpiece may be that of your own and the others who think alike. I don't. I'd have no problem taggin' it if I could.. but more importantly I'd burned that thing and all of what it represents. You're right it isn't vandalism cause it wasn't another person's property... lepo!

this space is your space thing is wonderful... I'm just questioning the rules.. and why society agrees with those set rules. Not hard to understand. You like to preach like these jesus groupies trying to change the ideaologies of everyone they thing is not of their "kind". I like to debate, rise questions, reciprocate, INTELLIGENTLY.. simple.

Again you can make all the black and white statements about rules but when its a loved one or worse yet your child that makes a decision against these rules we shall see how quickly you change your view. And that is truth! You may be content with following the rest of the cattle but I and many like me believe there is more to this blasphemous way of life our so called government tells us to live by.

Maybe you're too old to understand such open minded concepts... non absolutes, and a broad sense of humanity.

I shall tell all my Halawa Prison Guard friends that I drink with once a week about your comment about their moke antic: Chee Hee!

"rolls eyes": NOW THAT IS PANTY! FRIGGIN' MAHU!

Chee Heee!

Go ahead and tell your Halawa Prison Guard friends anything you want. I got friends too and they're much higher than the guards heck I'm related to one of em too.

I got friends on both sides of the bars at Halawa and friends who helped put my other friends away and friends who want to get their hands on friends who put them away.

I got all kinds of friends too from simple North Shore types who love to wear black shorts, to big bruddah friends who entertain big Japanese types who love tatoos on their backs and have one pinkie removed. I got friends that break laws and friends that defend the laws.

But back on Graffiti, I guess for as long as there are graffiti artists there will be taggers like you said, and for that there will always be police officers and prison guards to haul their okole's away when they're caught so I guess there is a balance to this chaos after all.

The point is there doesn't have to be this indifference if we all agreed to respect each other's property. I'm glad you indicated you wouldn't tag private property but when I see tax dollars being used to clean up public property that didn't need to be, I get a bit concerned because those tax dollars could be used to help those less fortunate that can't buy a loaf of bread or help educate our children instead of letting them run around...oh wait a minute I was going to say like vandals but then again you'll probably take offense to that remark.

Let's just say tax dollars could be better spent on the needy instead of cleaning. Is that a bad thing? I'd love to hear your reasoning on that one just so I can understand your position better because it's obvious I just don't get it. So please elaborate, I promise to be open-minded about your statements.

[TuNnL]

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I totally respect and see your opinion on this but you can't have a cake without the nasty frosty.... essentially you want graffiti art but not graffiti. Sorry that can't happen. They both must co-exist in order for each one to exist.

I beg to differ, Kimo. You rant all over this thread about questioning authority and society’s rules yet here you are imposing stupid rules of your own.

I guess you rather stick to the typical absolutes and spend many more years trying to fight a battle you can't win

Nonsense. We’re already winning the battle. “Rise up my brothers!”TM We’ll stamp out vandalism and destruction of private property by thoughtless, uncaring individuals like Kimo and his bruddahs.

[Kimo's Bruddah]

I beg to differ, Kimo. You rant all over this thread about questioning authority and society’s rules yet here you are imposing stupid rules of your own.Nonsense. We’re already winning the battle. “Rise up my brothers!”TM We’ll stamp out vandalism and destruction of private property by thoughtless, uncaring individuals like Kimo and his bruddahs.

What rules am I imposing?

Last I checked you guys were complaining about the problem of graffiti.. not praising any victories you have over US! But regardless... you can't stop us! Yes we are thoughtless, uncaring soldiers... what do we care about the ignorant pawns like you... nonetheless, thank you for fueling our fire. My bruddahs strive to make your heaven look like our neighborhood. Jah bless! Chee!

Go ahead and tell your Halawa Prison Guard friends anything you want. I got friends too and they're much higher than the guards heck I'm related to one of em too.

I got friends on both sides of the bars at Halawa and friends who helped put my other friends away and friends who want to get their hands on friends who put them away.

I got all kinds of friends too from simple North Shore types who love to wear black shorts, to big bruddah friends who entertain big Japanese types who love tatoos on their backs and have one pinkie removed. I got friends that break laws and friends that defend the laws.

But back on Graffiti, I guess for as long as there are graffiti artists there will be taggers like you said, and for that there will always be police officers and prison guards to haul their okole's away when they're caught so I guess there is a balance to this chaos after all.

The point is there doesn't have to be this indifference if we all agreed to respect each other's property. I'm glad you indicated you wouldn't tag private property but when I see tax dollars being used to clean up public property that didn't need to be, I get a bit concerned because those tax dollars could be used to help those less fortunate that can't buy a loaf of bread or help educate our children instead of letting them run around...oh wait a minute I was going to say like vandals but then again you'll probably take offense to that remark.

Let's just say tax dollars could be better spent on the needy instead of cleaning. Is that a bad thing? I'd love to hear your reasoning on that one just so I can understand your position better because it's obvious I just don't get it. So please elaborate, I promise to be open-minded about your statements.

I applaud your friend collection. kudos!

I just have really good friends, no tats, no pinkies removed.. just great people!

I'm not sure you can call putting artists into prison "balance" but ok!

FYI: we all pay taxes. Your tax dollars are no more special than mine. Who they go to and where is, sadly, well beyond my and your control. Don't pretend cleaning up graffiti is the only wasteful thing that our supposed tax dollars go to. There are WAYYYYY MORE important issues out there that needlessly get our tax dollars that you REALLY should be concerned about. Picking on graffiti when it comes to tax dollars is like worring about a splinter when you got a gun shot wound!

Respecting each other's property is great. Too bad our country wasn't founded on such a philosophy.

[Peshkwe]

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Let your inner graffiti artist spray on:

http://graffiti.playdo.com/

[craigwatanabe]

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I applaud your friend collection. kudos!

I just have really good friends, no tats, no pinkies removed.. just great people!

I'm not sure you can call putting artists into prison "balance" but ok!

FYI: we all pay taxes. Your tax dollars are no more special than mine. Who they go to and where is, sadly, well beyond my and your control. Don't pretend cleaning up graffiti is the only wasteful thing that our supposed tax dollars go to. There are WAYYYYY MORE important issues out there that needlessly get our tax dollars that you REALLY should be concerned about. Picking on graffiti when it comes to tax dollars is like worring about a splinter when you got a gun shot wound!

Respecting each other's property is great. Too bad our country wasn't founded on such a philosophy.

Yes there are way more important issues out there that our tax dollars need to be used for, unfortunately cleaning up tagging isn't one of them, but because someone defaced public property it takes those precious tax dollars to clean it up.

We both agree that tax dollars could be better utilized, too bad it isn't.

And we both agree that we need to respect each other's property. And from a government standpoint on other countries...we need to understand that Democracy just doesn't work for everybody and that a Socialist kind of government is just fine for those who believe so.

You can have some form of human rights in either type of government.

Can we just agree to disagree on those other points you brought up? We're just at opposite ends of the debate here but at least we can respect those positions. That I can agree to.

[admin]

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Per Kimo's Bruddah's request, he's been banned from HT.

Given that he has now gotten both of the things he clearly wanted -- a great deal of attention and the martyrlicious satisfaction of being "censored" -- I'd appreciate it if this were his final mention. Mahalo!

[damontucker]

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I saw an individual... who didn't appear to be working for anyone but himself... painting over some graffiti on the McCully Bridge going into Waikiki.

Who ever that person is... here is Manoa's "Pat on the Back"

Thanks for doing your part to help our neighborhood graffiti clean

[Hellbent]

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there was an article on grafitti i read in the paper or the weekly about a retired guy who went around and did this. it occurs to me, in a way, isnt this also considered grafitti? =p

[craigwatanabe]

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there was an article on grafitti i read in the paper or the weekly about a retired guy who went around and did this. it occurs to me, in a way, isnt this also considered grafitti? =p

No it isn't.

[Glen Miyashiro]

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There's a guy in England who cleans the grime off of public walls and sidewalks to make his designs. Is it graffiti?

[poinographer]

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I'm not so sure.

Unless the property owner gives permission to paint his property, then painting over graffiti is just as illegal as the original graffiti itself. Now, would the police/prosecutor pursue charges against a person painting over graffiti? Probably not, unless the property owner were to insist. Some of those hurried paint-over jobs are more ugly than the underlying graffiti, imo.