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  • #16
    bankruptUS$ A's misleadership

    Wolfowitz on 1/20/05 PBS News Hour talks of Saddam "misleading the world".

    Misleading the world ? Vested interests of the bankruptUS$ A's "Defense" leadership talking about misleading the world ! No shame!! Condi Rice getting a prelude of a war crimes trial during her sos confirmation hearing, and Wolfowitz now knowing that his arse is in the swing of his, his fellow neocon political artists', own making. Their most immediate raison d'etre being the provision of both immediate relief to Israel and more predictable crude oil supplies. Nothing, absolutely nothing, considered by them to be of any worthy of living consequence without such provision. No costs too great to bear. No propagandUS that is too shameful to deploy to perpetuatUS corporatUSraelian delusions of "leading" verses "misleading".

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    • #17
      US-created enemies: generational, uncountable numbers

      On Comedy Central Jon Stewart 1/25/05,
      Seymour Hersh confirms (confirms again) to millions in the United States the nightmare millions already know thanks not to The New Yorker magazine, or Mr. Hersh to any extent whatsoever compared to contributions toward growing popular knowledge derived from displays of co-opted intellect, arrogance, and incompetence of a majority, if not a supermajority, of the civilian leadership of the United States Executive Branch.

      If there is God, and, Such could ever be thanked, Such would be thanked by not mere 10's of millions (as in number beneficiaries of the U.S. Executive Branch civilian corps of corporatUSt interests realm), rather, Such would be thanked by billions of Earth's inhabitants for the fact that there exists in the U.S. Executive Branch pyramid a significant number of individuals to whom moral values is not of a militarist, nationalistic, vainglorious vein.

      When it comes to the U.S. Executive Branch pyramid, it is rotting from the top down. Congress joining in the regression, hopelessly under the control of the militarist of Corporate America and the West's capitalessUSnest$.

      They think more US-divined war in foreign lands and more U.S. expenditures (crimson, blood red, fiscally, literally) for more US-grown weaponry, war supplies and cooked books can save the credibility, the wealth of US; what has US Presidency got to lose? Just about everything they have ever thought was immutable, right and divinely ordained, that's all. Which means, naturally: "What is it to US to have in the world more 'we created them' suicidal, homicidal, maniacal anti-US 'insurgents', 'guerrilla', 'militants' (with US decreasingly being confused with U.S. -- U period S period abbreviation for United States), what is it to US to make ever more eternal enemies of US? When such US-created enemies are of generational, uncountable numbers, what are more such enemies? "US is secure in US righteoUSnest$", as, inversely so, the U.S., the United States is correspondingly less secure in every way conceivable.
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      • #18
        Saddam, Gangster for Capitalism

        Saddam Hussein was another gangster for capitalism in his US-approved years of rule over Iraq.

        "The Iraqi Shiites have shown forbearance and have not retaliated from Sunni attacks on them."
        Iraqi Shia are not now in a condition of military hardware armament comparable to Iraqi Sunni. After US restoring the US-approved capitalist monarchy and US crude oil connection to Kuwait, Iraqi Shia were given (by US powers)grounds to expect US support (of more than a rhetorical nature)for a Shia rebellion against the ruling Sunni of Saddam (up til and including at that moment Saddam, a honed and tempered client of, by and for US corporate interests in the same addicted vein as US's Shah Pahlavi of Iran): the Iraqi civilian mass graves after Bush1 Gulf War were a consequence of Iraqi Shia having considered rising against Saddam in an armed, US bles$ed uprising.
        What happens after such mass killings is that a society is not in condition to take revenge, much less able to afford to avenge one injustice without guarantee against ever greater injustice being perpetrated on them?
        ****
        The Conservative form of Capitalism has shown itself to be a massive failure.
        The USA "democracy" is capitalist democracy. USA has a capitalist economy and a capitalist democracy. Whether that democracy is of a liberal form (Liberman, Kerry, Gore, Biden,) or a conservative form (ala Lott, Delay, Bush, Card,) of capitalism, corporatist capitalism is a malign tumor on humanity. There is no morally substantive difference between the economic fundamentals of Saddam Hussein's Iraq and Bushs' USA.
        Last edited by waioli kai; January 31, 2005, 01:39 PM.

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        • #19
          'Well-regulated Capitalism'

          'Well-regulated Capitalism' sounds oxymoronic, though granting that such is not the case for the sake of argument: Isn't it the case in the U.S. that capitalism is well regulated?

          Capitalism is quite well regulated, to the exclusive advantage of corporations. The rights of corporations prevail over citizens' rights and welfare as much because of regulation as because of a lack of regulation. Would well-regulated genocide/ecocide be preferable to not-so-well-regulated genocide/ecocide?

          Maybe there is a form of capitalist economy which does not allow for the sociopathic wastes and immoral material consumption characteristic of the U.S. economy/government; however, to get there from where we have been and are now is not even remotely likely.

          The US health care 'system' exemplifies the malady. Insurance companies have leeched onto health care such that the economic security of the U.S. requires the leeching to exist.

          "Economic security"...what a joke! If only today's U.S. children could see through the fog in which their parents find such comfort while on this side of the Baby Boomers' retirement delusions of security. A former Federal Reserve Board member has recently stated on cnn's Dobb's Report that the U.S. government debt combined with unfunded U.S. government liabilities in a dozen years or less will amount to around $US44trillion....three years worth of today's U.S. GNP. Obviously the U.S., indeed the world, is on course with an iceberg of titanic proportions while many, if not most, U.S. politicians parade on deck passing out saccharin-sweetened shave-ice refreshments.

          Assuming our US gets the spoils of war from Operation Iraqi Liberation which it anticipated...on second thought, why assume such unlikely consequences. The commanders of US economy really have only one course set for US and it is a corporatist one doomed by their greed, deceit and inhumanity.

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          • #20
            Armed for/against evil

            "...people who do evil with capitalism rather than capitalism being inherently evil in itself."
            Yes, similar reasoning is presented by the National Rifle Association to jusitfy ownership of hand guns in the U.S.

            'People who do evil with capitalism'... not sure what that means. US Capitalism sucks up about 40% of the world's resources for 5% of the world's population, or broken down again, about 30% for 2%. In my book there is inherent evil reflected in such a fact, but for the most part I would say that the 30% are not evil so much as is their capitalist economic system itself evil.

            The vast wealth of Saddam's Iraq was distributed in a way most like the vast wealth of the world is distributed among the West. Under US corporatist control Iraq's wealth does not stand a chance of being distributed much differently than it was distributed under Saddam--- the face of corporatist capitalism varies but the outcome does not.
            ***

            "These are people who hate guns because guns provide a defense against the totalitarian state they want to impose. They are big fans of guns in the hands of socialist enforcers."
            The Right Wing's "leftist", "socialist" in the U.S. are not an armed camp. The armed camp of the U.S. is his right-wing. Throughout the world, it is the right-wing that is armed to the teeth through their right-wing, "conservative" governments to their right-wing oligarchs' paramilitaries to assassins for right-wing causes. Has there ever been left-wing fascism; are not "right-wing", fascism, totalitarianism synonymous?

            Anyone today who falls into the sights of the U.S. IRS, or any U.S. or state investigative and/or enforcement agency experiences a degree of totalitarianism that fills a general prescription of totalitarianism [(1 :centralized control by an autocratic authority 2 : the political concept that the citizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority)].

            What good is one's being armed to protect oneself against such a power in these heavily-armed government times? A good joke perhaps; or, for the Right Wingers of the world, a comforting delusion til their lights go out...what little light there is for them.

            "It sounds like you recognize that the IRS and other such armed agencies are a threat to honest people. They would be more of a threat if all honest people were disarmed."
            The threat of the IRS keeps them honest, for the most part. I don't for a second think that the IRS, FBI, ATF et.al let the thought of an armed citizery hinder their prosecution of justice. But, you do think such agencies reconsider their prosecution of their idea of justice based on the fact (ie, your assumption) that they are more afraid of armed citizens than unarmed citizens?

            "Just ask anyone who survived socialism under Stalin, Tito, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot, etc."
            Are you suggesting that such survivors would claim: "If only we citizens had had more guns, things would have been different. We would have been safe, happy, democratic, free, peace-loving corporate capitalists. But, (sigh), we just didn't have the arms to prevent being dominated by the government, to become more like the US."
            Last edited by waioli kai; January 31, 2005, 02:25 PM.

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            • #21
              bankruptUS$' capital-less heirs

              "In the long run capitalism is always bad. There are some short run benefits."
              In the short run the U.S. govt borrows money to shower upon capitalists, who in the short run use the money as they are accustomed (pursuit of profits for happiness-success first and always while pursuit of goodness trails behind the pursuit of corporatist benefits resulting from philanthropy) . In the longer run the borrowed moneys are exhausted necessarily undemocratically, often frivolously, usually wastefully (scaled in drums by billions per generation of capitalist reign), most irresponsibly and most unaccountably to sustain the corruption of humanity many US"Americans" fondly call "An Adventure in Capitalism", then, that which is not exhausted completely trickles down to those whose investment in self is more truly an investment in humanity.
              * capital Date: circa 1639 1 a (1) : a stock of accumulated goods especially at a specified time and in contrast to income received during a specified period; also : the value of these accumulated goods (2) : accumulated goods devoted to the production of other goods (3) : accumulated possessions calculated to bring in income b (1) : net worth

              ** working capital Date: circa 1901 : capital actively turned over in or available for use in the course of business activity: a : the excess of current assets over current liabilities

              When capital is "the excess of current assets over current liabilities" it must be that the US is capital-less. Since Reagan and Bushes (Clinton was riding a 'short-term benefit' wrinkle of the tumor) have absolutely guaranteed that for the duration the Republic --which capitalists [US, Brit, Zionazi (i.e., not to include all Zionists, just those of the militant variety), others] hijacked more than a century ago-- the people's government of the U.S. will never have 'working capital'. U.S. peoples will be capital-less, while an ever greater percentage of US capitalists will themselves be deemed capital-less. National debt, corporate debt and consumer debt mushrooming in the long run to a dissolution of the United States, as speculated by some futurists in the Aleutians.
              ***

              In Iraq US has U.S. civilian and military personel in the midst of a Mideast civil war which US could not --even with a small fortune spent for US-sponsored mercenary paramilitary/subversion forces-- foment to erupt into violence without (but for Blair and Sharon and some newfound US buddies of "Adventure in Capitalism" in) unilaterally destroying and invading the nation.

              In Sudan and Cong, as the rest of Africa, U.S. accepts/when not encourages Africa's civil wars. Except where civil war was a war that was headed towards the doorsteps of hundreds of thousands of white South Africans (Afrikaner or not), US has pretty much just let Africa's civil wars burn as they please, adding fuel$ at various times.

              I don't know how some European/American imperialists could ever recompense most all peoples of Africa for the disenfranchisement, deculturalization, grief and irredeemable loss forced upon them over the centuries by EuroAmerican coporatist governments. The imperialists' heirs' manifest denial of any responsibilty for the tragedies of Sudan, Liberia, Congo, Sierre Leone, Angola, Mozambique, ..., is understandable: "Look at this mess our fathers handed US. It is overwhelming!! Where do we start? Where can we start? It's just too much...But! We didn't do it, did we, not US? Of course not. So, since there's nothing we can do about something we didn't cause, let 'em kill each other 'til they wear themselves out."

              How many reasons can there be that the terror in Sudan, Congo, and subSahara Africa is not deemed worthy of waging war against? Is it that US seeks world support in waging war against only that which terrorizes Americans; that which terrorizes populations/investments of mostly white people?
              Last edited by waioli kai; January 31, 2005, 02:19 PM.

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              • #22
                Missile Offense Politics

                "Missiles being installed in Alaska will become part of a new defense system. The idea is to knock incoming missiles out of the sky. But will the system work as advertised?"
                To find out how well such proposed 'missile defense' works as advertised, who will have to be provoked to give such systems a real test? China? Russia? Pakistan? India? France? Britain? Israel?

                A very, very long range ballistic missile strike on U.S. mainland from North Korea, or a long range strike on U.S.'s Honolulu?

                This on-going militarist "missile defense" idea, plan, project is just as bogus, wasteful and deceitfully perpetuated as was the Reagan administration's multi-billion dollar "defense" plan for building intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the Three Corners region of the U.S. Southwest.

                Dr. Condoleeza Rice, soon-to-be, yet to be tried, convicted war criminal at head of US State Department can never be content that she has promoted enough such militarist schemes of state as is "missile defense".

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                • #23
                  Re: U.S. cursed by US Right Wing

                  Waioli Kai, you are pretty much talking to yourself and are even quoting material that is not from this forum (making for a pretty surreal "discussion"). I think ten posts in one afternoon is more than enough. Take a break, please.

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                  • #24
                    SOS, Dr.Rice

                    'Dr. Condoleeza Rice, soon-to-be, yet to be tried, convicted war criminal at head of US State Department can never be content that she has promoted enough such militarist schemes of state as is 'missile defense'. As is much of United States' dedicated revenue stream originating in the sale of "homesteads" of stolen lands of Native Americans and Pacific Islanders, perpetuated in national and international currency scams of the sort that in earlier times were facilitated (for a cut, to be sure) by traders of U.S. Treasury securities located in top floors of a World Trade Center building. U.S. Treasury securities fancied to be honorable promissory notes for domestic and international consumption .... borrowed wealth to dump into a lot of worthless nothings wrapped up in United States' war machinery, war preparations, war readiness, militarist expenditures.'
                    "When you messed with Condi it may have been a mistake."
                    Something to think about for sure. Before crediting Dr.Rice, no other woman would be given by Reagan, Bush1, Cheney (Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Sharon, Docters Thatcher, Kissinger, Negroponte) credit for the dissolution of the CCCP.'The Soviet specialist at the end of the Cold War', Dr.Rice says of herself at meeting with State Department employees who clapped their hands off before refreshments while Dr. Rice is "going to find my room".

                    'This extraordinary ...' what? What did Dr.Rice say? "Adventure"? No, it wasn't "adventure"...but something along that line. She didn't say "crusade"*, but that would have been taken for granted anyway by those attending her first employee meeting at Bush2's, Cheney's and Rice's State Department.
                    Please, understand that this is a time when the history is calling us. And I just look forward to working with each and every one of you toward that end."
                    "The President has laid out a bold agenda and he expects a lot of us. I want you to know that I'm going to be committed to you; and you, in turn, will be committed, and we, in turn, will be committed, to carrying out that bold agenda." --- What is turning, what is spinning, is the communication that emanates from the U.S. Executive Branch.
                    * What Docter Rice did say: This is a great time for America. It's a great time for the international system."
                    Last edited by waioli kai; January 31, 2005, 03:38 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: this forum

                      Originally posted by admin
                      Waioli Kai, you are pretty much talking to yourself and are even quoting material that is not from this forum (making for a pretty surreal "discussion"). I think ten posts in one afternoon is more than enough. Take a break, please.
                      You are quite correct. I must be missing something here: like a self-deletion option. Before the storm approaching the islands possibly turns off the lights I did want to replace an inadvertent double post. It's cooling off fast.
                      Last edited by waioli kai; January 31, 2005, 04:54 PM. Reason: title

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                      • #26
                        SS, Right-Wing's Stalingrad?

                        Social Security: The Right-Wing's Stalingrad?
                        By Max J. Castro
                        Progreso Weekly

                        10-16 February 2005 Edition

                        "We had to destroy it in order to save it," an American soldier said famously about a village in Vietnam. President George W. Bush's proposal to save social security by privatizing it represents the same concept of safety.

                        The arguments the President is using in his covert war against social security, an attack disguised as a reform, are so bogus they make the case for war in Iraq seem an open and shut affair.

                        cont'd at
                        http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/021005M.shtml

                        http://www.progresoweekly.com/index....eek=1108015200
                        The US Right wing has always spoke of the U.S. central government as if it were a curse on Americans because of the government's support for social welfare programs. The US Right Wing very deliberately and methodically has poisoned and continues to emasculate the U.S. government's social welfare responsibilities, concerns, contributions and entitlements. Corporate welfare and military hardware have consumed all and more than the Right Wing "savings" resulting from their eliminations and whittling down to token effectiveness every U.S. government enabled social welfare endeavor. The U.S. central government is now more than ever the enabler for corporations, insurance companies and financial gaming adventures of Wall Street. Wall Street...how appropriate it is that the walls after which it is named were owned by slavers' to contain and concentrate their wealth in Native American and African slaves.

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                        • #27
                          PBS aRrest In Piece

                          ''
                          R.I.P. PBS

                          The last remaining televised source of information is foundering after years of assault by the right wing. The most obvious solution is for subscribers to greatly increase their donations, freeing PBS from CPB control.

                          The president and CEO of the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), Pat Mitchell, announced she will not be seeking a third term earlier this week, raising new questions about the future of a network beset by partisan interference and faced with major budget cuts. The move comes less than a month after Education Secretary Margaret Spellings condemned the once-celebrated PBS show, "Postcards with Buster," because a not-yet-aired episode involved an 11-year-old girl with two mommies.

                          That was merely the latest in the Bush administration's attempts to control content and enforce conservative themes at the station. Fearful the right wing will continue to impinge on the channel's independence, children's television advocates are calling for a new funding model based on a "national trust fund or endowment [that] would allow PBS to be free of the whims of the White House." (Share your thoughts on the conservative takeover at PBS on ThinkProgress.org).

                          Mitchell maintains the "Postcards" controversy has nothing to do with her decision to leave, but the episode was indicative of the political wrangling that has complicated her job at PBS. Mitchell originally signaled she was "comfortable" with the episode in question, but according to PBS spokesman Lea Sloan, she changed her mind "after conversations with a number of PBS stations and 'national leadership.'"

                          Asked who among the "national leadership" had contacted Mitchell, "Sloan named John Lawson, who lobbies for public TV stations on the Hill." Lawson, besides being CEO of the Association of Public Television Stations, is Spellings's brother-in-law. His role in the controversy suggests a direct conflict of interest: Lawson is supposed to advocate for public television stations, but has a family connection with media censors in the Bush administration.

                          CONSERVATIVES STACK CBP: In the current model, the bulk of PBS's funding comes from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), whose board President Bush has attempted to stack with partisan political operatives. Two of the board's newest members, Gay Hart Gaines and Cheryl Halpern, have given more than $816,000 to conservative causes over the past 14 years. In addition, both have shown contempt for the board's function. According to Common Cause, Gaines was a key fundraiser for Newt Gingrich a decade ago when the House speaker campaigned to "zero out" CPB funding and privatize PBS.

                          NEW MEMBERS SEEK CENSORSHIP: Halpern signaled her intentions during her confirmation hearing, when she suggested the CPB should be given authority to penalize and "remove physically" someone whose broadcasts it decided were unbalanced. Halpern took repeated shots at esteemed "Now" host Bill Moyers and advocated a policy of "aggressive" censorship. This was apparently part of a "litmus test" the Bush administration used to select board members – media watchdog groups say the White House sunk the candidacy of UCLA media professor Chon Noriega after he said the CPB should intervene in programming only in "extraordinary circumstances." The Public Broadcasting Act prohibits CPB from interfering with public TV's programming.

                          NEW PROGRAMMER: In addition to stacking the board of CBP, the administration hired Michael Pack, a producer with close ties to the Bush administration. In 2002, Pack greeted Mitchell at Vice President Cheney's house and proceeded to push a children's series featuring the vice president's wife, Lynn Cheney. Just weeks after pitching the show to PBS programmers – who found the whole idea "inappropriate" – Pack was appointed senior vice-president for television programming for the CPB, "which dispenses federal funding to PBS and local stations."

                          COMING UP NEXT:
                          The partisan CPB has already begun to have an effect: the hosts of PBS's two new public affairs programs are right-wing CNN commentator Tucker Carlson and Paul Gigot, of the Wall Street Journal's editorial board (which once called for the "complete withdrawal" of federal funding for PBS). Moyers's former newsmagazine, which also came under attack during a CBP Board meeting last winter (one member reportedly screamed, "You've got to get rid of Moyers!"), has been zero funded and cut from an hour to thirty minutes. And President Bush has "ordered an internal review" of "Postcards with Buster," a show the Education Department once praised as helping kids learn to read and giving them a "greater understanding and appreciation of the varied cultures in North America."

                          ON THE FRONT LINES: On Thursday, PBS found itself in the middle of another controversy when the producers of a "Frontline" documentary about U.S. combat troops in Iraq criticized the channel's decision "to send member stations an edited satellite feed of the program that cut out profanity used by soldiers." The channel "opted to change from practice" by sending only the edited version of the show and forcing stations to "sign a legal waiver indemnifying PBS" if they want to get the unedited version. The producers charge PBS is bowing to concern about Federal Communications Commission indecency rules and that the network should "stand firm" for the "principle of editorial independence." The latest dust-up highlights the "inside-the-Beltway environment in which PBS is forced to operate, where funding concerns often trump programming decisions, and the fear of upsetting conservatives has become a driving force."

                          "What good fortune for those in power that the people do not think." --Adolf Hitler

                          "Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." --Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923


                          "It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them. " --Adolf Hitler

                          "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." -- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
                          "

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                          • #28
                            Fair Enough

                            "It's the principle that I object to, that someone 4 to 7 generations removed from slavery deserves reparations as though something were done to them."
                            Fair enough. In the same vein it should also be objectionable that people generations removed from the initial source of their inherited wealth deserve such wealth as though they earned it.

                            *

                            U.S. GNP, gross national product, is a convenient indicator (in $US) of the level of U.S. economic activity. The key phrase is "...a convenient indicator..." , describing total market value of the final goods and services produced by the nation's economy during a year.

                            The inherent nature of such goods and services is irrelevant. Whether goods like farm equipment, farm produce, washing machines; services like auto repair, healthcare, education; or 'goods' like diamond necklaces, race horses, designer suits; or services like hedge funds, cosmetic surgery, advertising ... present and future value to family, community, society, value to humanity is not what determines GNP value. Market value is the GNP scale of measurement. Market value has no direct correlation to intrinsic value or real value.

                            Market value is fantasy, imagined value expressed in US$ transactions, US$ themselves being of popularly accepted, albeit, fantasized worth.

                            A $US10 trillion GNP is a total of real and fantasy value, fantasy value be the greater and faster growing for the U.S. economy.

                            Even Alan Greenspan, longtime chairman of the U.S. central bank, is succumbing to the alchemic allure of the financial fantasy houses of the U.S. economy. Of course Corporate America has a lot to fear as baby-boomers start retiring from the workforce cashing out of their pensions and stockholdings. Corporate America will be in a hell of a lot worse shape down the road in the not-to-distant future than will be the government's social security system (given that the U.S. Treasury will not default on the bonds representing the monies it borrowed from, and interests due U.S. citizens' Social Security Trust Fund) unless they can mortally wound the Trust by diverting payroll SSI taxes directly to Corporate America.

                            Even if U.S. corporatist elite --including of course their political toadies and patsies-- succeed in crippling if not killing the SSI trust fund, diverting workers' SSI taxes and supposed matching contributions from employers...even if they succeed at pulling off that scam, they cannot alter a basic law of the universe: "Thou Cannot Create Something From Nothing" .

                            Decades of financial fraud, deceit and fiscal subterfuge have given the appearance that such a law does not apply to U.S. corporatist capitalism, that real value can be created from nothing. A seemingly eternal fountain of corporate mergers and divestitures, strategic sales and bankruptcies, has produced for some, for the time being, a general image of enhanced value, worth and substance of Corporate America. It is an image that the nation's corporate elites' Cheerleader in Chief is expected --indeed paid, by such elites of the corporatist democracy-- to capitalize on while the image, the illusion persists.

                            Something from nothing? That is exactly what the prophets of "private accounts" are preaching. They project there will only be two workers for every one retiree in a few decades and that neither workers' nor retirees' (security of society in general is conveniently dismissed: an inherently Republican perspective) financial security will be able to be honored by the government because the government will not be collecting enough revenue for that purpose due to the relatively (to now) small number of workers compared to retirees.

                            "However," , say the 'private account' prophets, "there is wondrous magic in Wall Street ! ! Wall Street is sure and everlasting in its ability to transform money into more and more money ! Wall Street has well served our domestic and foreign leisure class for years. Where money 'earns' money. Where money does all 'work' and all there is to share is money. Where two workers supporting one non-worker is a luxury of workforce. We are experts at creating something from nothing. Trust us with your future. We are your best, indeed your only, option if we bought the government we think we have. "
                            Last edited by waioli kai; February 19, 2005, 10:50 AM.

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                            • #29
                              No government can forever shield from radical change...

                              'We (Wall Street) are experts at creating something from nothing.'

                              "So when are the working men going to rise up against Wall Street?"
                              When/if U.S. citizen's get the representative government they deserve instead of the corporatist government corporate america feeds them, (and/or) when direct, participatory democracy supercedes democracy by corporatist capitalism...when the moral and fiscal bankruptcy of an economy founded on imperialism, deceit, genocide, human bondage, usury, fraud, hypocrisy, unmitigated arrogance and injustice ceases to be consciously sustainable by educated truthfully informed peoples, no government can forever shield from radical change such an economy.

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                              • #30
                                US right-wing is hungry

                                The US right-wing never fails to claim it is looking for new ideas from the Left.

                                The U.S. right-wing is hungry for fresh ideas because they have knawed themselves to death on "old Left ideas".

                                Of course, the U.S. right-wing -- right-wing by definition meaning anti-progressive, socially and politically conservative, and, absolutely, unequivocably reactionary-- would like "the Left" to toss them something they could chew on, something they could react to. They are starving in the idelogical sewer of their own creation.

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