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Originally posted by Bobinator View PostI
If you have any experience in law, you would know that how a government official answers depends on what the question is. In other words, you can stick a post-it note on the original document that says, "Obama was born in Hawaii. Signed, (name), White House Chief of Staff", and Fukino would say, "Yes, the Birth Certificate INDICATES or SHOWS that Obama was Hawaii-born. Get the picture? If you asked Fukino on the record whether the document was forged, edited or newly created, her answer would be along the lines of, "I am not an expert on such matters, therefore I'll refrain from the question."
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen," Fukino said in a statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original
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...just c'mon and let me know...
Originally posted by Bobinator View PostDeep down, I know you find me sexy.
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Bobinator: Go ahead. Call the Hawaii Department of Health to get your own long form birth certificate and then tell us what they say. Or if you weren't born here, get someone you trust from here to do it. Not a form someone says they have. A long form birth certificate from a recent request for one.
If anyone here has connections to a newspaper, can we get confirmation that accessing vault copies of "long form birth certificates" is actually how the newspapers get their statistics for announcements? Because I don't believe that's true.
eta for clarification: I believe the DoH gives or used to give birth information to newspapers. But I do not believe anyone from the newspapers actually gets to see the "long form birth certificates" to verify. I think they just get a report from the DoH.Last edited by Adri; February 11, 2010, 04:17 PM.
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Originally posted by anapuni808 View PostI'm trying to imagine what it must be like to go through life thinking everything is a conspiracy - Bob must lead a very interesting life! My main problem with him is that he is a wine snob. I don't really care what he thinks about Obama and the birth certificate - I just have a serious problem with wine snobs.
Deep down, I know you find me sexy.
Get in back a da line! Right behind Matapule!Last edited by Bobinator; February 11, 2010, 03:46 PM.
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Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View PostBut he and his howling gang will have at least 7 more years to wank on about it!
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Originally posted by Kaonohi View PostFrankly I believe in another conspiracy, a different one. I believe all these birthers and tea-party leaders are just racist - they can't stand to see a black man in the white house -(black man in the white house! Imagine that!) - especially a black man who's father was a Muslim! Racism and religious discrimination! NOT a very Christian attitude!
So now I'm a rascist. That's what liberals say when they run out of arguments and are unable to face reality.
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Originally posted by Adri View PostBobinator: You are completely missing the point. You insist you are asking for a "long form birth certificate" that you believe Obama could force the Department of Health to produce. We are trying to tell you there is no such thing as a "long form birth certificate". There is the information form that people fill out when someone is born in Hawaii but that's not the birth certificate. The birth certificate is exactly what Obama did produce and that is, for all legal purposes, sufficient to prove his birth here. If you insist there is such a thing as a long form birth certificate, we are inviting you to obtain a copy of your own from the Hawaii Department of Health. I could try to get mine but I deeply suspect that my saying I could not get it would not satisfy any birther but may lead to claims that I lied and that would hurt my feelings. So the only way to settle this issue, if you want settlement, is for you to try yourself (assuming you were born in Hawaii) and see what happens. As to the Director of the Department of Health being pressured to lie ~ why? She's under a Republican administration here. If the Director had been able to say Obama's Hawaii birth certificate isn't real or that he wasn't born here, we'd probably have a Republican President now. A president our governor campaigned for. If anything, I would think that the Director was under pressure to try to prove that Obama was not born here but instead she confirmed that his birth record is in order and shows he was born here.
Also, medicare, medicaid and social security have been going bankrupt since at least Bush Sr's time.
"The woman, Miki Booth, originally from Hawaii, is running for the U.S. House of Representatives in Oklahoma's second district as an independent constitutional conservative. She had presented original long-form birth certificates belonging to her son and husband, dated 1981 and 1949.
"They are the 'vault' copies of the original ones filled out at the hospital and sent to the Hawaii State Department of Health Vital Statistics Office," Booth told WND. "It is from this office that the newspapers get their stats for births, deaths and marriages to announce in the newspapers."
Her husband, Fred, and son, Alan, were born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii – the same hospital declared as Obama's birthplace in a purported letter from the president.
"If he is going to claim he was born in Kapi'olani like my husband and my son, then I want him to show proof," Booth said, explaining that a certification of live birth only shows that a live baby was born – and not necessarily in Hawaii.
"What he's given us perpetuates the mystery of what he's covering up and gives us more reason to not trust him," she said."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124656
Let me educate you a little here. I brought up Executive Order 123489, which Obama signed the first thing when he came into office. His legal team expended $3M to conceal all of his records. Having a Republican Governor is totally irrelevant. Even the Governor will not violate State Law, much less a Federal mandate. Chiyome Fukino said on talk radio that she saw Obama's Long Form certificate and that it indicated he was Hawaii-born. However, she was not cross-examined by the ever-curteous Mike Buck.
If you have any experience in law, you would know that how a government official answers depends on what the question is. In other words, you can stick a post-it note on the original document that says, "Obama was born in Hawaii. Signed, (name), White House Chief of Staff", and Fukino would say, "Yes, the Birth Certificate INDICATES or SHOWS that Obama was Hawaii-born. Get the picture? If you asked Fukino on the record whether the document was forged, edited or newly created, her answer would be along the lines of, "I am not an expert on such matters, therefore I'll refrain from the question."
And all the ignoramuses say, "Okay, next subject..."
You totally missed the point about Medicaid, Medicare and Soc. Sec. going bankrupt. You're playing the cry baby blame game again. Let me make this point clear, the government is corrupt and incompetent. If it can't successfully run its own programs, then why would anyone want them to take over our health care? It's like hiring an alcoholic to drive a tour bus. The government doesnt fix things, it taxes and spends.
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Originally posted by craigwatanabe View PostWe're all in the conspiracy. I've got nothing to hide except my role in the CIA as an operative smuggling beanie babies (with Root Beer Jelly Beans sewn inside) across the border into Argentina back in the 70's. There's a huge black market for Root Beer Jelly Beans there.
Don't you remember me? Buenos Aires 1972? I was the one with the chihuahua that spoke Ukranian.
And I'm glad to see that you are in on the joke, amigo.
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Originally posted by craigwatanabe View PostHey don't count out ranting.
As far as Hawaiian statehood, Bob canwankrant all he wants, but that ain't gonna change either.
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I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to go through life thinking everything is a conspiracy - Bob must lead a very interesting life! My main problem with him is that he is a wine snob. I don't really care what he thinks about Obama and the birth certificate - I just have a serious problem with wine snobs.
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Originally posted by Ron Whitfield View PostBut he and his howling gang will have at least 7 more years to wank on about it!
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Originally posted by matapule View PostBob can rant and rave all he wants, but it is not going to change history. Nuf said.
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