Statehood Day Holiday

[Konaguy]

Re: Statehood Day Holiday

Originally Posted by timkona
Joe's Auntie Tittah is on the Burial Council, so we can't build roads
Joe's Uncle BoBo attends all the planning meetings to protest houses
Joe's friend from the mainland is a real environmental go-getter and says no to just about everything
Joe's Grandpa in Hamakua always complains about how Hawaii has changed, but always brags about his 24 grandkids.

I've lived here in Kona my entire life, Tim's assessment here is right on. Yes
he may spew a lot of politically incorrect things. But if you search for
those nuggets of truth, you will find it.

I actually had a good chuckle over it, since its soo true

[Miulang]

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Dang Miulang...

So what is Washingtons? I lived there for so long and I forgot? I don't remember it being celebrated there in Washington as much as here in Hawaii.

I don't think they gave us a day off in Washington like they do here in Hawaii!

Please correct me if I'm wrong Miulang.

You're right, Manoa, the people of Washington State don't get their Statehood Day off (Nov. 11--yippee! This is a Scorpio state!). But the people in Utah do (Pioneer Day--July 24) and Massachusetts (Patriots Day--April 19...that's also the weekend that the famous Boston Marathon is run). Hell, we don't get Veteran's Day off either, but we do get Martin Luther King's birthday as a state holiday.

Miulang

[Keanu]

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I've lived here in Kona my entire life, Tim's assessment here is right on. Yes
he may spew a lot of politically incorrect things. But if you search for
those nuggets of truth, you will find it.

I actually had a good chuckle over it, since its soo true

Nugget is an apt description of tim.

Btw, I wonder how "Joe" feels about the crap that tim posts.

[Keanu]

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Maybe to the ignorant.

Picture this everyone.

Newt Gingrich, Norm Mineta (Japanese Transportation Sec), Tom Delay, Condi Rice, Alberto Gonzalez.

On July 4th, they go to an Indian reservation and find a sacred historical site. They sing patriotic songs and wear Statue of Liberty costumes. Then they even sing a Indian chant, in an Indian language, that honors Indian culture.

How stupid would they look????????

Here's what Sam Slom and his band of Haoles and Asians were singing.


Hawaii's own true sons, be loyal to your chief
Your country's liege and lord, the Alii.1
Father above us all, Kamehameha,2
Who guarded in the war with his ihe,


That is "Hawaii Ponoi". Thats what they were singing TO THE HAWAIIANS. Am I the only one laughing? Yes I am. Because most of Hawaii's Hawaiian Wannabe population of Haoles and Asians have convinced themselves that being Hawaiian is something anyone can decide to do at anytime. It's just a decision. So singing a song you cannot understand in a language you do not speak using words you don't agree with makes perfect sense as long as it helps you to "feel Hawaiian", juss like Ben Cayetano said.

This is a far deeper concept than most of you can grasp right now and more than I want to try to explain.

But suffice to say, Slom and his gang of clowns looked like fools once again perpetuating psychological cultural genocide through their ignorace and actions.

You explained well Kamuelakea. You are absolutely correct.

[kamuelakea]

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You explained well Kamuelakea. You are absolutely correct.

Keanu, if you are Hawaiian, and even if you are not, please share these words with your Ohana.

Most Hawaiians don't really realize how much they've been ripped off. By blatant force from the Haoles and by subtle and insidious techniques of the Asians.

They need to start learning and thinking.

Aloha

[Keanu]

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Keanu, if you are Hawaiian, and even if you are not, please share these words with your Ohana.

Most Hawaiians don't really realize how much they've been ripped off. By blatant force from the Haoles and by subtle and insidious techniques of the Asians.

They need to start learning and thinking.

Aloha

Mahalo Kamuelakea

I am Hawaiian. I hear what you are saying and I agree.

[anapuni808]

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There is a historic appropriateness to holding statehood celebrations on the palace grounds. It's where statehood was initiated and ultimately granted AND the previous home of the State Legislature (which despite the wishes of sovereignty activists is the TRUE sovereign power in Hawaii). Furthermore the Palace belongs to the State and thus ALL of its residents (not just Hawaiian ones). There are far more non-Hawaiian Hawaiians (I'm gonna start calling my jewlipino arse Hawaiian just to be obnoxious, hell if I was from California I'd be a Californian) who celebrate and are proud of their American heritage than native Hawaiians and they should have the right to celebrate joining the Union if they want without harassment, just as the Hawaiians have the right to disagree with those of us not of kanaka blood (notice I said disagree, not badger and harass). On one level it was confrontational for Sen. Slom to hold his celebration on Palace grounds, but it provoked a discussion of the issue which is important within itself. After all we are all residents in Hawaii and regardless of the wishes of some sectors of the population we all have a right to be here and don't appear to be leaving anytime soon, we may as well start getting along.

Jewlipino

Your information is just a little bit off. The Palace GROUNDS belong to and are under the jurisdiction of the "State". If someone wants to hold an event on the grounds, they must apply to the "State" for a permit. The building, `Iolani Palace, is currently fully leased to a non-profit group. So, technically - until the lease runs out, the "state" doesn't have possession of the Palace. I'm sure there is some lawyer on here who will dispute this but it's the same as renting a home - it's yours as long as you pay your rent!

and just as a side comment: what was done Friday by Sen. Slom & Barbara Marumoto was rubbing the Kanaka Maoli's nose in crap, the same as if waving a red flag in front of a bull. It was outright provocation on the parts of Burgess & his wife, and that other idiot Conklin. I doubt if Slom even knew what would happen - but you can just bet that Burgess & Conklin did! Conklin has a history with the folks who were there & he is thoroughly disliked by most.

Some of us have been through this same issue with these folks in official authority before. In 2000, which was the 100th Anniversary of the Organic Act - several government folks wanted to have a celebration of their own, there in front of the Palace - they even wanted to invite Pres. Clinton! Luckily, we had thought ahead & WE had the permit. The "State" threatened to pull our permit. We very politely told them, basically, to shove it. We said very clearly & politely - pull our permit & we'll put on a press conference. Guess who won that contest? WE did - we had a very solemn event recognizing the anniversary but certainly NOT celebrating what had happened. We were fortunate enough to have had the Royal Hawaiian Band do a special performance of Kaulana Na Pua (the way it was originally arranged in 1898), the event was attended by Ali`i descendants (not Kawananakoa) and was also attended by several international observers including a European Ambassador.

As for the singing - singing the Star Spangled Banner in front of the windows where the Queen was imprisoned was inappropriate. and singing Hawaii Ponoi, simply because that is what is done at the legislature is not appropriate. The words to that song have a special meaning to Kanaka Maoli - it's THEIR national anthem, not just another song.

The Kanaka Maoli consider the Palace grounds sacred - there are iwi (bones) still buried there. This is not the place to bring the things of America. The Palace & the grounds themselves have a much longer history that what has happened since 1893.

and lastly - for your benefit, I'm trying to find some film clips for you of the folks talking with the band members. So far, all I have been able to find were still photos. MacPro was there - maybe he can fill us in on the so-called "confrontation" that you are so concerned with. For myself, I would probably just call the school itself, talk to the band teacher & find out for myself what happened. But of course, thats just me.

(edited to correct a spelling error)

[damontucker]

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You're right, Manoa, the people of Washington State don't get their Statehood Day off

So what is the importance of having one here in Hawaii if it's going to cause this much controversy?

I can only imagine a bunch of Native Americans protesting in Olympia....
The Lummi, the Seattle, the Tacoma, the Wenatchee, the Nooksack, the Spokane, all of the local native american tribes of the northwest... etc...

I could go on and on.

In 1913 there was an Author from the University of Washington that wrote an article about the naming of Washington Counties.

"At that time in 1913 their were 38 counties in the state, 17 had personal names, seventeen have Indian Names, while the remaining four are named for geographical features."
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OC...+in+washington

It just seems that someone Miulang of your knowledge...might start looking into the injustices of the people that live directly around you and might be your direct neighbor...instead of constantly about those that are across the ocean

Hugs Manoa

And P.S. didn't the Seahawks look good against the Colts this weekend? I know it's preseason and all... but still yet!

[Palolo Joe]

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(I'm gonna start calling my jewlipino arse Hawaiian just to be obnoxious, hell if I was from California I'd be a Californian)

Oh my, how ignorant you are...

Call yourself Hawaiian. See how many friends you make with that attitude.

And Anapuni, I've been wondering why one of Sen. Slom's biggest cheerleaders (and isn't he still one of Slom's employees?) hasn't joined this conversation. Conspicuously absent, if you ask me.

[SouthKona]

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I've lived here in Kona my entire life, Tim's assessment here is right on. Yes
he may spew a lot of politically incorrect things. But if you search for
those nuggets of truth, you will find it.

I actually had a good chuckle over it, since its soo true

Yeah, well, it's one thing for someone to "think" his ways are superior, but it is altogether another thing to publicly profess it at the expense of others! "Self-righteous" might be a name for it.

Shame!

[Miulang]

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It just seems that someone Miulang of your knowledge...might start looking into the injustices of the people that live directly around you and might be your direct neighbor...instead of constantly about those that are across the ocean

Hugs Manoa

And P.S. didn't the Seahawks look good against the Colts this weekend? I know it's preseason and all... but still yet!

Manoa, the "injustices" heaped upon the Native Americans up here aren't half as bad as the kanaka maoli experience in Hawai'i. Up here, tribes have strong treaties with the Feds. They own sizeable tracts of land, they have casinos where they make lots of money to support their people (one thing the kanaka maoli would never have under the Akaka Bill), they have rights to use the natural resources according to their traditions, they administer their own laws on their lands. They are also very proactive about their stewardship of their land and their resources, too. They have a good relationship with both the State and Federal governments at this point, and I doubt they want to become sovereign nations. And I do go to their Spring Tribes of All Nations powwow and the Seafair powwow in July. Don't forget, especially up here in Washington State, there's a very long history of kanaka maoli marrying Native Americans too. There's a town in Southwestern WA called "Kalama", named after John Kalama from Maui, who was a seaman who married a Native American princess and settled in the area. Some of his grandchildren are now tribal elders. Every year for the last 3 or 4 years, they hold a summer celebration called "Kalama Days" which was just last weekend, where the town has a ho'olaulea and musicians and singers from Hawai'i headline a show (our own Leo Lakio was probably the emcee). It's really cool to see hula and native dancing in one place!

Yeah, the Seahicks whupped a** bigtime yesterday. Now I hope they don't do what they've done so many seasons before (and what the Mariners are also famous for): make us all excited and then disappoint us by not making it to the playoffs. I also haven't checked their schedule for the year out yet.

Miulang

[Konaguy]

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Yeah, well, it's one thing for someone to "think" his ways are superior, but it is altogether another thing to publicly profess it at the expense of others! "Self-righteous" might be a name for it.
Shame!

Yes, you are right Tim does say a lot of politically incorrect things. But
like I said, there is nuggets of truth there if you look.

[Keanu]

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There are far more non-Hawaiian Hawaiians

This is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as a "non- Hawaiian Hawaiian".

[Konaguy]

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and lastly - for your benefit, I'm trying to find some film clips for you of the folks talking with the band members. So far, all I have been able to find were still photos. MacPro was there - maybe he can fill us in on the so-called "confrontation" that you are so concerned with. For myself, I would probably just call the school itself, talk to the band teacher & find out for myself what happened. But of course, thats just me.

If you find it, please post it. During my search of You Tube, that one persons
video collection was a gold mine of video on this. But unfortunately there wasn't that much of the confrontation between Sen. Slom's group or the ban.

[anapuni808]

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Oh my, how ignorant you are...

Call yourself Hawaiian. See how many friends you make with that attitude.

And Anapuni, I've been wondering why one of Sen. Slom's biggest cheerleaders (and isn't he still one of Slom's employees?) hasn't joined this conversation. Conspicuously absent, if you ask me.

I have nothing against Sen. Slom or Rep. Marumoto. I'm sure they are good, well-meaning folks. They are just miserably un-informed. and they were used by Burgess & Conklin very badly in an effort to lend legitmacy to this event. I've already had discussions in past years with Conklin about this date - back in the days when he was welcomed to Hawaiian events because he claimed to want to be educated. Funny, someone finally asked him WHY he kept showing up & he stopped attending after that.