Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

[dick]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

it feels to me like my neighbors would be happy i not visit their home (which is really OUR home).

I hear you on that one, and I've written about it before... I'm actually from Maui, but I'm damned to go to any "neighbor island" (and I use that loosely, as loose as a bad bowel) since I now live in the hell-hole known as "Oahu."

I'm now damned to hell, and will die a slow and painful death, because I live in Honolulu.

Pray for me.

[mel]

Re: bi God reactionaries are US in $uperfascUSt Follies

Who is "us" ? Your nationalUSt sense of US does not include Hawai`i....(blah, blah, blah snipped)

Again senseless anti-American rhetoric. Same old, same old crap.

[cynsaligia]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

i've refrained from posting on this thread because honestly, reading the back and forth about the superferry, whether here or in letters to the editor in the papers, makes my stomach literally heave.

it feels to me like my neighbors would be happy i not visit their home (which is really OUR home).

it feels to me like my neighbors feel i live on the wrong side of the tracks, and am sullied by my urban lifestyle, and i'll spread it, like a horrid contagion, across their pristine home (again, which is really OUR home).

it feels to me that my neighbors believe people who are not from the neighborhood are more welcome. these people who are not from the neighborhood are not only more welcome, but where my neighbors don't want me to visit just for a few days with my car and my camping and my snorkeling gear, they don't seem to mind at all that the people not from the neighborhood buy land/homes in the neighborhood and help change the market so that both my neighbors and i have a hard time affording land/homes in the neighborhood.

it feels to me that my neighbors think my money is dirty and they don't want my money in their neighborhood. but again, they'll gladly take the money of those not from our neighborhood.



i'd been saying to eric that for our next vacation, let's go back to maui or the big island...or maybe let's go to kauai, where i haven't been since i was in the single digit ages. hadn't there been public service announcements promoting doing just that? have a vacation here in hawaii? you know--let's go have a vacation in our neighborhood?

at this point, i'd rather we took our money to the "ninth island." even if that's not our neighborhood.

at this point, i'm feeling like my neighborhood is so backwards, and my neighbors not acting very neighborly, that it won't take much more before i'd prefer to raise any future children i may have in a completely different neighborhood.

bi God reactionaries are US in $uperfascUSt Follies

bi God reactionaries are US in $uperfascUSt Follies
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\quote==mel= " Superferry offers us an alternative as a faster service at a cheaper price." /quote

Who is "us" ? Your nationalUSt sense of US does not include Hawai`i , a spelling of which a bigot [and there are several such eternal bigots]
in the forum writes as being the same as the State of Hawaii. Your "us" is little more than yourself and near a half-dozen USers in this thread who apparently know next to nothing about Oahu's neighbor communties, and what they do think they know is all that they think need to know about the people whose rights they are so greedily willing to violate.

The rights of the inhabitants of Oahu's neighbor islands to choose the pace at which they decide to develop their land and exploit their resources are not inferior to the alleged rights of Oahu residents to travel to those islands packing whatever they choose, staying however long they want, arriving however they choose.

* bigot 1598, from M.Fr. bigot, from O.Fr., supposedly a derogatory name for Normans, the old theory being that it springs from their frequent use of O.E. oath bi God. Plausible, since the Eng. were known as goddamns in Joan of Arc's France, and during World War I Americans serving in France were said to be known as les sommobiches **.

**son of a bitch
1707 as a direct phrase, but implied much earlier.

"Abide þou þef malicious!
Biche-sone þou drawest amis
þou schalt abigge it ywis!" ["Of Arthour & of Merlin," c.1330]

"Probably the most common American vulgarity from about the middle of the eighteenth century to the middle of the twentieth" [Rawson]. Abbreviated form SOB from 1918. Mencken, complaining of the tepidity of the American vocabulary of profanity, writes that the toned-down form son-of-a-gun "is so lacking in punch that the Italians among us have borrowed it as a satirical name for an American: la sanemagogna is what they call him, and by it they indicate their contempt for his backwardness in the art that is one of their great glories." [The American Language, 4th ed., p.317-8]

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[mel]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

I don't believe that YB offers any such "deals" now. It's "full-fare" all the way!

That's what we get when we have a monopoly offering a vital service between the islands. Superferry offers us an alternative as a faster service at a cheaper price.

[oceanpacific]

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Back during the old days, some of us neighbor island students at UH-Manoa shipped our cars between islandsfor the summer and Christmas breaks. The deals then offered by Young Brothers included a "free" return within 30 days, and 50% off between 31-90 days. I took advantage of this once when I shipped my car over to Hilo and then made the return 18 days later. We're not supposed to load any cargo (YB disclaims liability for theft or loss), but that didn't stop a couple of my friends from putting their golf clubs in my trunk. These were NOT pro-level.

I don't believe that YB offers any such "deals" now. It's "full-fare" all the way!

[helen]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

I am suprised no one brought this up yet but a segment of the neighbor island people who would benfit from the SuperFerry service are those going to Oahu seeking medical treatment that's only available on Oahu. Some people fly in and fly out on the same day, others stay for weeks on Oahu.

I grant you this is not a big number of people who do this but they could save money on rental cars or save time by shipping their car via Young Bros.

I did mention this eariler that students from the neighbor islands going to Oahu for college can also use the SuperFerry to ship their cars as well as themselves. And they can do it more often like during summer break, Christmas break and spring break.

[Miulang]

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Cute story in an earlier edition of the Advertiser about the Maui employees of HSF who built a float and participated (along with John Garibaldi) in the parade that opened the Maui County Fair yesterday.

Argylle DeRego and Steven Phander designed the 25-foot-long plywood ferry using the actual vessel design. The float was built under a tent structure at the Kahului port that normally serves as the ferry's vehicle check-in site.

The scale model was placed atop two luggage carts and towed by a luggage tug.

Phander said everyone worked on the float at some point, and that the parade brought the employees even closer together as a group.

There was a mildly awkward moment before the start of the parade, when the Superferry float pulled up next to a trailer holding Hawaiian Canoe Club's two koa canoes. The real Alakai will have to share Kahului Harbor with the club, whose members have voiced concerns about how their longtime and traditional Hawaiian activities may be affected by the new ferry service.

The company's unit also had to wait its turn as the Pacific Whale Foundation's parade entry passed, sparking murmurs in the crowd of a possible collision between the Superferry float and the foundation's large inflatable whale.

Miulang

[LikaNui]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

(...)
the evidentiary hearing on Maui should be wrapping up next week. (...)
That means that Judge Cardoza could be announcing (...)
the Maui case, maybe they can move (...)
Hopefully, though, the Maui decision (...)

*sigh*

[Miulang]

Re: Hawaii Superferry - Chapter 6

According to this Maui News story, the evidentiary hearing on Maui should be wrapping up next week. The only witnesses left to testify are for HSF. That means that Judge Cardoza could be announcing his findings sometime later next week.

On Kaua'i, the legal team representing the enviros withdrew their case in Circuit Court in favor of taking an appeal directly to the Hawai'i State Supreme Court. Unfortunately, with the case loads that the HSC has, the backlog is tremendous (that's why it took 2 years for the Maui appeal to be heard). Because of the legal precedent set by the Maui case, maybe they can move up this pending case and deal with it sooner rather than later.

Hopefully, though, the Maui decision will satisfy Kaua'i too, so there can be a resolution of this sad kabuki tale and people can move on with their lives, whatever the decision may be.

Miulang

[joshuatree]

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Are you implying that one of Kauai's agricultural products is an illegal substance? So your concern about Oahu residents coming and selling drugs is because they are going to compete with Kauai producers? Never mind. How about I just answer the question. The primary "legal" agriculture products of Kauai are coffee and flowers. Bananas, papayas, green vegetables, etc. are also part of what is produced on Kauai. There is also honey, taro, pork and numerous other items. Could there be more? Absolutely.

See, this is what CF was implying with his comments about agriculture from Kauai, that there isn't much legit agriculture coming from there. I find that ironic since Kauai is nicknamed the Garden Isle. Maybe agriculture has been dying off, not because things can't grow there but because the cost is prohibitive and competition is fierce. So here we have someone trying to kill off something that may have lowered shipping cost, provided better access. The funny thing is, if the ferry indeed provides lowered costs, agriculture could possibly rebound and that in turn keeps Kauai rural and undeveloped, the things that protesters are howling for. Irony......

Right now they have to depend upon either the YB stranglehold or very expensive air freight. The HSF would allow an farmer/producer to take a vehicle they already own, drive onto the ferry and make the trip to deliver goods to Oahu (where it has been proven that people will pay a premium for quality, locally grown/produced products) for a cost significantly less than must be paid to YB and in a more timely fashion. The farmer/ag producer can then drive back on the HSF and go home. Faster, less expensive, more direct and with excellent potential that said farmer/producer will put the profits back into expanding their operation.

I can already see protesters arguing that the ferry only does 1 trip a day and the turnaround window is so short, drivers will need to stay over. But I attribute this to the very fact that the ferry tried shifting departure/arrival hours to fit better with traffic hours. Also, at the end of the day, it's just one boat. Maybe if it was given a chance, more boats would then resolve the tight scheduling and truly open up access for farmers.

Indeed, there is a market for fresh, premium products. The organic trend is picking up, Whole Foods is opening up on Oahu, niche agriculture has a future.

[LikaNui]

Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5

The residents of Moloka'i may seem poor and backward to outsiders, but let me tell you, they are fiercely proud of who they are, and money is not the same all mighty god to them as it is to most other residents of the State.

Okay, I've been trying to stay out of this, but... there she goes again, making another outrageously massive overgeneralization without any proof whatsoever to back up her sheer and utter nonsense. Her remark is simply ignorant.
And of course since she lives in Seattle, how the hell could she possibly know how those of us who live in the state of Hawai`i feel?!??!!
She doesn't know how WE feel about the residents of Moloka`i, and she based her retort on what just one person wrote here, yet all of sudden all of the rest of us in the whole state supposedly feel the same way. What a load of crap. (Sorry, but that's what it is.)

Again, please don't judge the people of Moloka'i on the basis of your standards.

And (without a "please"), stop judging US from your home over 3,000 miles away!!!

And they want to protect what they have for as long as they can.

So, what, the rest of us DON'T want to protect what we have?
What an incredibly ignorant and flat-out DUMB remark.
Again.


(Since she supposedly has me on Ignore, somebody please quote this so she'll see it.)

[glossyp]

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--such specifics as: (1) What is the primary legal agricultural product of Kauai?

Are you implying that one of Kauai's agricultural products is an illegal substance? So your concern about Oahu residents coming and selling drugs is because they are going to compete with Kauai producers? Never mind. How about I just answer the question. The primary "legal" agriculture products of Kauai are coffee and flowers. Bananas, papayas, green vegetables, etc. are also part of what is produced on Kauai. There is also honey, taro, pork and numerous other items. Could there be more? Absolutely.

(2) How is that agricultural product shipped off of Kauai?

Right now they have to depend upon either the YB stranglehold or very expensive air freight. The HSF would allow an farmer/producer to take a vehicle they already own, drive onto the ferry and make the trip to deliver goods to Oahu (where it has been proven that people will pay a premium for quality, locally grown/produced products) for a cost significantly less than must be paid to YB and in a more timely fashion. The farmer/ag producer can then drive back on the HSF and go home. Faster, less expensive, more direct and with excellent potential that said farmer/producer will put the profits back into expanding their operation.

(3) What's the expected future of agriculture on Kauai when of all 4000 or so students of the public high schools on Kauai the educational system can field no more than 170 students, 150 who show up regularly, for high school agricultural science courses?

(4) If the prospect of agriculture is so bright for the next generation of farming on Kauai why is it that a fair half of the ag sci classes are composed of students who failed one of their their core science courses and just want to enjoy, for the minimal effort, the guarantee of not being left behind, even though they should have been for both their and society's sake!

I will respond to these questions as one as you are making essentially the same point which is that the future of agriculture on Kauai is dismal because present high school students are generally uninterested or incompetent. (While I personally applaud your philosophy of leaving behind those who don't put forth the effort to do their best, this is not a particularly helpful approach.) Nonetheless, as a society do we give up on brightening the future of agriculture simply because it doesn't appear to be appealing or do we make an effort to demonstrate and teach the value of such? How many energized and committed students would it take to help agriculture thrive? It would not take all 4,000 - in fact, let's presume that just half of the 150 who show up regularly could be motivated to pursue farming - those 75 could make all the difference. And, in the mid-term we would not depend upon current students to advance agriculture but rather upon those who are presently working the land. If the present farmers do well, there will be even more reason for young people to view farming in a positive light. I re-state my view that the HSF has the very real potential to help our farmers and producers of other locally produced goods prosper and flourish.

[Konaguy]

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The problem is not that Hawaii is a back water state, the problem is that each of the island in this state have different ways of doing things.

I disagree, it seems there is a loud vocal minority on each island whom try to stall practically every new project. It also seems this loud vocal minority is
taking advantage of the majority through the courts or protesting.The even worse thing is that vocal minority is pushing their agenda on the majority.

[helen]

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The problem is not that Hawaii is a back water state, the problem is that each of the island in this state have different ways of doing things. A solution to a problem may work on one island with no problem, while that same solution applied to another island will cause more problems. Also some people are afraid of being the guinea pig for new stuff.

That being the case what the SuperFerry should have done was to demostrate a limited run like a couple of weeks between two willing places of it's services.