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  • #16
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    I'm very sorry for my cynical remarks about the public school system. There are good points as well (heck I'm a graduate of Kalani High School and my wife from Leileihua). Currently I have two children in the public school system however both in public charter schools. To ensure that my children and the children attending their schools get the kind of attention I'd like to see I've been a part of the local school boards.

    I really don't blame the teachers. They have a lot on their plates to deal with with what little support they get from both their union and management. Despite their challanges most public school teachers seem to pump out motivated students into either higher education or the workforce.

    What bothers me is that the BOE consists of many who were elected simply by name recognition only instead of merit. What also bothers me about the BOE is when they use their platform for politcal agendas. I truly believe the BOE should consist of educators and accountants. Both know the value of education and the funds that pay for it.

    When it comes to teachers however, I've seen the really good ones and I've also seen the rotten ones. These are the ones taking advantage of their tenure and union seniority to simply slack off and not teach.

    Cynical? Yes I am, but this is one parent who chose not to just criticize from the comforts of my home. I've been at the Legislature lobbying for education, I've sat on school PTSA, SCBM and Local school boards. I've taken Principals, Directors and Teachers to lunch to discuss their goals on educating my kids at their schools. I've had long meetings with State Representatives and Senators regarding their positions on education and their ideas of what needs to be done. I've even donated hundreds of dollars to my kid's schools specifically for school supplies and learning materials and these were not fundraising dollars but hard cash with nothing in return but a feeling doing something for my kids.

    Cynical, because despite everything I and a lot of us concerned parents do, it's not enough because of the beaucracy that enshrouds the DOE and the BOE that runs it.

    When it comes to my Public school children (and yes I have one in Kamehameha right now), I've always supported the teachers that have shown vested interest in teaching my kids by helping with classroom supplies, getting in there and assisting as a volunteer, even sponsoring pizza and ice cream days for those really great school days, right down to emceeing school events that bring in fundraising dollars.

    At Hokulani Elementary I've sat with the principle (at the time) and asked him, "Peter, what's on your wishlist this year" As the fundraising chair for the school PTSA's Hokulani Aikane, I would set our fundraising budget to coincide with his list of things the school needed like LAN hookup for their many donated computers, Air conditioning for the school's library, funding for the electrical costs needed to run all those computers and AC equipment.

    Cynical because I've heard the frustrations from everyone from the director of public charter schools, principles, directors, teachers, parents, students and even community volunteers about the lack of direction from the DOE here in Hawaii. What's good for Oahu is outright shameful for the school districts out in rural areas like many here on the Big Island. There is no general consensus about how education should be administered statewide because for every district there are socially and culturally diverse challanges that affect each geographical area. A centralized BOE simply doesn't work.

    Both my wife and I have dedicated our lives to the educational needs of our children. She has a masters in ECE (Early Childhood Education). Together we use our collective goals and push for better education for not only our kids but all children in this state.

    We are definately in the loop when it comes to the administrative side of school management and curicullum. Both of us had done work for both public and private schools and can see outright the stark differences that either side operates and the way their administrations support their teachers.

    There are benefits and challenges on both sides but it's those challenges in the Public school sector that need to be met and overcome. I could go on forever but the bottom line is that I support all teachers (both public and private) that are willing to give their best in educating the children of Hawaii. I also support any government leader and school administrator willing to seek help for the benefit of their student body when the traditional BOE method turns a blind eye to their needs.
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    • #17
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      When I was going to college I took an urban planning class. The professor said the biggest problem with Hawaii's public school system is too much centralization. We are the only state in the country with a statewide school system. THe result of this is every public school student gets an equally mediocre education. In the mainland local school boards have greater control and autonomy. Property taxes go to support the schools in each area. This results in better schools in richer neighborhoods and not so good schools in poorer neighborhoods. But the professor said that this is entirely equitable and makes for the best allocation of resources. I've heard people saying we should move towards this model before but it was always met with lots of resistance. I suppose it's true that the government here has many socialist policies this being just one among them.

      Long live the People's Republic of Hawaii!

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      • #18
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        Other than the doe controlling all of the islands it sounds just like mainland schools. The public school teachers try really hard to make a difference but after getting beat down by everyone and everything you just figure it's easier to keep your head down and don't take it home with you. I worked in the public school system for 7 years. I've spent my last two in the private school system and I will never go back.

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        • #19
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          My daughter is now a kindergartner. The DOE has probably never had to tangle with a parent as tenacious, or as ballsy, as I am.

          I'm not interested in taking my issues to the principal, or the regional Kona fellow. I go straight to the top and buggem till they can't stand any longer. Then changes come from the top down, and that is the way the local administrators are most comfy.

          I've not yet fired the first volley, but I am getting my ducks in a row for the first issue I'm gonna tackle. More on that later.

          I'm a big supporter of teachers. The problems in the Hawaii Public Education System can be found in the students, the families, and some of the situations (read cultures) that are found here.

          Teachers have been stripped of their power to keep order, and now the inmates are running the asylum, and the apologists are happy.

          It is not a democracy in a public school setting. Marginal behaviors MUST be eliminated from the setting for the sake of the future. One child must not compromise 27 others. These various behavior issues that disrupt educational processes should be punitive to parents through fines, or some other form of parental punishment.

          If your kid mouths off, you pay the piper.
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          • #20
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            TimKona, I must give you credit in that lately you have improved in the way you present your points of view, so that we can hear your message without getting distracted by "how" you say things (that is, how in the past you might have said it...).

            As for taking on the DOE, join the crowd of parents who care. But yes, the crowd grows smaller if you are looking for parents who will act.

            I cannot imagine why anyone would want to be a teacher in the Hawaii public school system. The inertia of the DOE must suck the life right out of them.

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            • #21
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              Does anyone think the public school system can be improved if each school is treated more like an independent business unit? Say for example, a grace period of 4 years is given. During this four years, kids are basically given vouchers to attend any public school of their choosing. During these four years, the DOE will continue to fund each public school as is. But once the grace period is over, the budget allocated by DOE to each school is dependent on number of students enrolling? Will this possibly lead to the demise of some schools? Maybe....but if each school has to work to attract students, don't you think that would breed advancement instead of mediocrity?

              What about requiring all public school students to wear uniforms? I know some people will say that will increase the costs to parents as they need to invest in uniforms but I say that's a load of BS. When you have a kid needing to wear the same uniform five days a week, you don't have to spend so much on different clothing for your kids.

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              • #22
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                Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                What about requiring all public school students to wear uniforms? I know some people will say that will increase the costs to parents as they need to invest in uniforms but I say that's a load of BS. When you have a kid needing to wear the same uniform five days a week, you don't have to spend so much on different clothing for your kids.
                Well .... just what is "wearing uniforms" supposed to accomplish? In other words, what is the problem you are addressing and why is wearing uniforms going to solve the problem?

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                • #23
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                  Uniforms are PROVEN to be less expensive clothing than "street clothes". Jury has been out on that one for years. It's not even arguable.

                  One thing that helps to keep "bad" kids in line is for Good Parents to confront the bad kids AND their bad parents. Bringing these issues out into the limelight can be quite embarrasing for these bad parents. You can tell when you have the ignorant ones painted into a corner. Typical reactions include anger, or the threat of violence. Real predictable behaviors. Kinda explains their kids.

                  One day my Mom bitched out a friend of mine in front of all our pals. Was hilarious !! And he catches grief for it to this day.

                  PS - Uniforms promote visual homogeneity which has the effect of masking social, economic, and even physical differences to some extent. These "differences" are often the source of distraction, or peer bashing, and tend to disrupt the learning environment. The argument in favor of uniforms for public school children is pretty airtight and very logical, when measured with psychology. But doing what is right, and doing what is preferred, are often two different things.
                  Last edited by timkona; December 4, 2006, 08:32 PM.
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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by SouthKona View Post
                    Well .... just what is "wearing uniforms" supposed to accomplish? In other words, what is the problem you are addressing and why is wearing uniforms going to solve the problem?
                    Wearing uniforms helps address the discipline issue with kids. Whether you want to admit it or not, clothes do influence one's behavior. When you are wearing a fancy power business suit, do you not feel important, professional, and act accordingly? When a kid's in a uniform, I don't doubt they will feel more compelled to behave. When you're dressed out like a thug, you tend to act like a thug.

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                      Wearing uniforms helps address the discipline issue with kids. Whether you want to admit it or not, clothes do influence one's behavior. When you are wearing a fancy power business suit, do you not feel important, professional, and act accordingly? When a kid's in a uniform, I don't doubt they will feel more compelled to behave. When you're dressed out like a thug, you tend to act like a thug.
                      Why is there an assumption that students who do not wear uniforms are dressed like "thugs"?

                      Trying to have public school children mandated to wear uniforms has not been met with overwhelming success in Hawaii. I've had kids in private schools (with various uniform requirements) in Hawaii, and for the most part the older students disliked it. We've also been through the experience of a public school in Hawaii that tried uniforms, with the school having absolutely NO success.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Teaching in Hawaii

                        Originally posted by SouthKona View Post
                        Why is there an assumption that students who do not wear uniforms are dressed like "thugs"?

                        Trying to have public school children mandated to wear uniforms has not been met with overwhelming success in Hawaii. I've had kids in private schools (with various uniform requirements) in Hawaii, and for the most part the older students disliked it. We've also been through the experience of a public school in Hawaii that tried uniforms, with the school having absolutely NO success.
                        What makes you assume I said every student not in uniform dresses like a thug? But truth is, you do have that percentage. Even if we don't count thuggie clothing, let's consider all the various other types, gothic - I don't give a **** about the system and life, hoochie - check me out like a piece of meat, A&F - I'm such a suburbanite, I look down on the rest of you, etc. There's plenty of time for kids to act like that if they want on their own time, NOT school time.

                        What experience have we had in public schools in regards to uniforms? Please let me know because I am not aware of any. Was it just a dress code? A dress code is not a uniform, it's a notch above free-for-all, but not a uniform. And one important aspect, in order for uniforms to work, it needs to be.....uniform....every school in the system needs to participate.

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                        • #27
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                          There is a DOE policy on uniforms. Kailua Intermediate School has had a successful policy on uniforms for a decade. They have worked with the parents and changed the uniform policy to fit the needs and desires of the community (ie school parents and students). But, there are other Hawaii public schools that have tried and failed in having a policy on uniforms. The one I am familiar with failed due to it being poorly thought out ahead of time, and "rushed" in to. Had there been better preporation and input from the parents/students, it might have actually worked. (The DOE policy has accomodations for opting out.)

                          # 4410 - DRESS CODE AND SCHOOL UNIFORMS POLICY (Approved: 5/96)

                          The Board of Education recognizes that there is a positive relationship between appearance and the learning environment. Studies have shown that clothing can contribute to distractions or can contribute to improved learning among students.

                          Schools which wish to establish dress codes (including the adoption of uniform school attire) may do so provided that:
                          1. Clear evidence is presented that the decision represents the views of a majority
                          of the members of the school community.
                          2. No undue financial burden is placed upon individuals and parents.
                          3. The Constitutional rights of individuals are respected.
                          4. The dress code provides a means whereby parents may request waivers.

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                          • #28
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                            Students at Kalihi's public elementary schools and middle schools all wear school t-shirts, but after 9 years of school uniforms, they arrive at Farrington High School where no such policy exists. And they go kinda nuts.

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                            • #29
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                              I would say the key here is properly planned uniform regulations and conformity throughout the school system. Having the option for an individual school to choose whether or not to adopt is a half-baked attempt. Uniforms should be required until they are out of high school. By then, they are young adults and they can go all crazy however they want. I fail to see why people would be anti-uniform. Kids who can't function because they have to wear a uniform are probably kids with bigger issues.

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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by joshuatree View Post
                                I would say the key here is properly planned uniform regulations and conformity throughout the school system.
                                I for one would not trust our Hawaii DOE (nor BOE) one bit in how to arrange for "conformity" of any sort for my child. Joshuatree, respectfully asking, just how much do you know (or rather "not" know) about our Hawaii State school system?

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