Hawaii Crime Watch

[kimo55]

Re: Hawaii Crime Watch

I want people to tell us about their new web-projects. I want to feel free to praise or criticize the efforts. I just want us all to be able to do it with some degree of civility.

I want world peace, too.

[scrivener]

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. I did say I was reserving judgment in my original post because this HCW thing seemed a little iffy. Kimo and LikaNui voiced some very specific, very meaningful criticisms. LikaNui and I both posted the name behind the website's registration (I just noticed that admin hasn't edited the name from my post). Craig said hey, let's ease up a little. The intentions looked pretty good to him. "HCW Team" (which appears to be the person named in my post) said thanks for the input; I'll definitely consider the suggestions and issues.

So far, it was perhaps not the most aloha-filled thread, but while the tone of some posts may have seemed harsh, the subject matter, especially from LikaNui, seemed to be in keeping with the purpose of HawaiiThreads. HT isn't meant to be a place where people just post announcements of their personal projects and that's it; that's why there's the "post reply" button. It's about conversation.

Grunchley's post certainly seemed below the belt and it did seem mean-spirited, but it wasn't entirely out of place; I'd assumed that the purpose of the HCW site was to put up information exactly like that, and I'm not a big fan of that sort of thing. It's true that anyone can file a restaining order and that an accusation doesn't imply guilt, but wasn't the entire content of the HCW site going to be accusations?

In any case, I didn't agree with Ryan's decision to edit the original info, but he's right when he says his doing so should have made it clear that this isn't what he wanted on his discussion board.

What's giving me an oojie feeling is that we don't handle stuff like this with much tact or gentleness. We did the same thing with the Bus Stories person, and while everyone had concerns worth posting, just as it did here, the concern turned to an odd hostility that didn't seem warranted.

I want people to tell us about their new web-projects. I want to feel free to praise or criticize the efforts. I just want us all to be able to do it with some degree of civility.

[kimo55]

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Yes, you assumed they wanted a "scathing deconstructive review of the site".

yep, yer right, they didn't diRECTally ask for it. It is mostly implied. maybe unconciously.
It may simply be nothing more or less sinister (or innocent) than my eternal optimism when I see a site such as this to think they may be thinkin';
"hey guys, lookee here... whatcha think? give it yer best shot."
and we do.

and looka duh re act shun:
the site is down for remodeling!
huh.
I would say they got their money's worth.
woonchuh?

[lurkah]

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I think they got what I assume most webmasters would want;
a scathing deconstructive review of the site. So there is no chance or at least very little, that when the site actually is up and running and promoted/advertised to the masses, there won't be alotta amateurish goofy glaring crap to repulse people by. A well thought out well designed site with correct grammar and spelling, containing a solid, succinctly well communicated direction and purpose, instills confidence in a web site's participants. IF... they are hypersentitive to this, perhaps they should seek another outlet for their creativity, such as building sand castles on a remote island...

Aloha!

WE just launched a new website / FREE public service called Hawaii Crime Watch. And are looking to get Hawaii's Online Community to assist Hawaii's Authorities by reporting (posting) any type of suspicous activity, criminal acts and things of that nature.

Let's help keep Hawaii safe for our future!

Mahalos ~
HCW Team
www.hawaiicrimewatch.com

Yes, you assumed they wanted a "scathing deconstructive review of the site". Sorry, but I'm not seeing it anywhere in their original post. Could it be a personal knee-jerk reaction to wanting to most always reply with an answer skewed towards being cynical and sarcastic? Your very first reply to me in the wrestling thread is a very good example. But, no baddah me. I can hando. Other folks might see that and never come back. Although that probably wouldn't bother you, it would bother me...because I'm not as "tantaran" as you.

[kimo55]

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maybe with the hopes of, at worst, receiving some constructive criticism, but at best received more destructive criticism instead --

I think they got what I assume most webmasters would want;
a scathing deconstructive review of the site. So there is no chance or at least very little, that when the site actually is up and running and promoted/advertised to the masses, there won't be alotta amateurish goofy glaring crap to repulse people by. A well thought out well designed site with correct grammar and spelling, containing a solid, succinctly well communicated direction and purpose, instills confidence in a web site's participants. IF... they are hypersentitive to this, perhaps they should seek another outlet for their creativity, such as building sand castles on a remote island...

[lurkah]

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Appears to me like HCW came here thinking it might be a "nice local place" to announce the launching of their new well-intentioned community service website, maybe with the hopes of, at worst, receiving some constructive criticism, but at best received more destructive criticism instead -- a hard lesson I hope we all can learn something from.

[kimo55]

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Harassing someone for what appears to be a well-intentioned, but poorly executed, website is not the same thing. I'm very disappointed.

I dunno;
They ask for the... ahem "harassment" by asking our opinion. and putting up a web site such as that.


It's a fuppeduck scenario all the way around. And we are supposed to be fulla aloha cus it's politically incorrect to point out inconsistencies in misdirected confusing web sites and question their motive.

It's all part of our screwy society; A web site pops up to, for the purpose of, as they say, combat, prevent or fight to any degree, any crime. Online. Except they also say 'call 911 for crime, don't use this site'
So people post what they see. Like a blog. what happens next?!
"hey. cop. I see a... what appears to be a crime. But not enuff of a crime to warrant calling 911. So i think it's a crime, but ain't too sure."
cop:
"sah-rreeee, we are busy standing on street corners giving tickets to people not wearing their seat belts..."

[kimo55]

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.............

Anymore ideas? We would really appreciate it.
Thanks again.

H.T is your development team, apparently. Gonna give Pzarq major props fo dees o' wot?!

[MadAzza]

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Such a stand up citizen that his wife filed a restraining order against him.

Big deal, my dog can file a restraining order. It doesn't mean the guy is guilty of anything. Restraining orders are sometimes filed in divorce cases as a preemptive strike, for example, or to keep things from getting overheated, to keep the parties away from each other.

[admin]

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This thread has gone from skeptical to simply malicious.

Yes, anyone is free to dig up dirt on anyone else on the Internet. That doesn't mean I want it posted here. My prior courtesy to the poster should have made this clear. Just because it's true, and because it's cheap fun, doesn't make it right.

There's a time and place for rallying the Internet mob in the name of truth, justice, and the American way. Harassing someone for what appears to be a well-intentioned, but poorly executed, website is not the same thing. I'm very disappointed.

[Glen Miyashiro]

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Although I am gigling at what grunchley found regarding the restraining order filed by the wife who wants to start a crime watch website...it is not fair to his wife to post her name and the other information. It would have been sufficient to just say, "he has a restraining order filed against him by his wife."

Lynn, that wouldn't make a difference. It's like Karl Rove saying "Joe Wilson's wife" instead of saying "Valerie Plame". It takes almost no effort to learn that one is the same as the other. The bottom line is that the information is available in the public record, and the public record is extremely easy to look up these days.

[1stwahine]

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Although I am gigling at what grunchley found regarding the restraining order filed by the wife who wants to start a crime watch website...it is not fair to his wife to post her name and the other information. It would have been sufficient to just say, "he has a restraining order filed against him by his wife."

It is always sometimes "true" that people change for the better and want to do good for the community. In this case, I'm still gigling!

Auntie Lynn aka Auntie Pupule

PS. On closer look...it was in 1999. Case dissolved.

[Glen Miyashiro]

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Ooh, ouch. Welcome to the 21st century.

[grunchley]

Re: Hawaii Crime Watch

Such a stand up citizen that his wife filed a restraining order against him.

Hawai'i State Judiciary
Non-Criminal Case Information Screen
1DA99-0-001649
Initiation Date: 11-02-1999 Initiation Type: N Confidential Code: N
Initiator I.D.: APS Division: Court: F
Cause of Action: TEMP REST ORDRE Nature of Action: 33000

[LikaNui]

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LikaNui you have some great ideas but forgive us for not answering every question (whoa boy lots of questions but VERY GOOD ONES!) we will be revising our Rules and Regs and Disclaimers because of your great questions!

I'm glad you appreciated my questions, but I have to wonder why you didn't answer them... and instead asked us to forgive you for not answering them. That's a very odd response and does nothing to help your cause whatsoever. I'd suggest that you folks invest in a good Public Relations advisor to help you through your start-up woes.

We will be approaching the authorities regarding this site.

I can't begin to imagine that anyone would take the time and expense to create as much as you've already done without having checked with the authorities as the very first step. Kinda putting the proverbial cart in front of the horse, methinks.

If you could so kindly remove the registrant information above. I have 3 little kids ages 2 to 5 and pray everyday for their safety. Having my name and address in this forum does not help secure things.

My thanks to the powers-that-be for editing those out for me. As several others have noted, the information is readily available in many other ways.
Anyway, I'll be looking forward to eventually seeing answers to the questions... hopefully sooner rather than later.