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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
"I am PEEEE Lay!"
yea, thanks, Walt!
Originally posted by Rickyrab
"I am PEEEE Lay!"
yea, thanks, Walt!
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Or Anaheim or Orlando.Originally posted by MiulangComment
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respect for religion?
depends on the religion, of course...i read in a travel brochure about hawaii
and self righteous missionaries...and as far as commercialization and exploita-
tion goes...i can send a picture from somewhere in england about jehovah's
witnesse/united nations drama...sodomizing the truth...want to see the
picture?...email me back at stafford_2@hotmail.com or just go to danny
haszard's cultbusters web site...Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam
Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam
Spam, Spam, (Lovely Spam, Wonderful Spam!) Spam, Spam
Boy, you sound a lot like a Usenet guy I remember, who was always promoting his Hawai'i web site no matter what the subject. I won't say his name -- Google is always listening.
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Re: respect for religion?
Funny how your posts seem to just keep bringing us back to your issue, rather than actually discussing the one in the thread. Please stop that.Originally posted by cassiedaddyComment
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Re: respect for religion?
Apparently, he does it a lot. Go away until you can learn how to be a polite forum guest, Ed.Originally posted by Leo LakioComment
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Re: respect for religion?
Pamela Anderson's webpage guest book? Now, why didn't I think of that as a resource for information about Jehovah's Witnesses and the United Nations?!?Originally posted by Glen Miyashiro
I guess Mister Ed's just smarter than us (of course, of course.)
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Wow. What a thread. In some ways I'm uncomfortable because I'm on the mainland and so far away from home commenting on something quite locally important. But let me comment generally about the sacred and secular/profane.
What is sacred to some people is no big thing to others. To some a sacred object or image just looks neat, fierce, or cool. They are ignorant, or worse callous, toward the cultural meanings behind the object. What is troubling is not so much that other people don't believe what "we" believe nor recognize something may be sacred to someone else. What is troubling is that what "we" believe could be used for material gain through a process of defamation or making dirty what is supposed to be pure in its symbolic essence (i.e., sacred). When something is done to something we consider sacred that is antithetical to its sacredness, it freaks us out. This is basically why some people got so angry at the piece of art, "The Pissing Christ."
But there is another layer regarding the use of Hawaiian Gods mentioned in the first post. The commercial use of a sacred structure of Hawaiian culture by outsiders is not just religiously outrageous to those who subscribe to the religion, but is symbolic of a long history of abuses by outsiders making money off of what was not theirs in the first place.
Who benefits? Who loses?
And then, why should it continue that way?Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Heeeyyy! here we go for anuddah round! wheeee!
The desecration of the gods. Round 36
Aloha, gang!
ok, first ya check dis out....
http://www.bigstuff.biz/gallery/TIKI-BAR
an den ya read my blather:
The big problem some have with this, is it relegates a semblance of Ku to a denigrating, insulting position; a seat for the ass of haoles on the mainland. and when it is pointed out to them that this is seen as very insulting to islanders, who revere the ancient gods of Polynesia, still to this day, the denegrators defend and get very angry, saying no one owns the copyright to a public domain design and leave us alone we can do whatever we want, and nothing after all, is sacred. Although it is pointed out Polynesians have no interest in voracious haole laws being applied to their icons, and why don't mainlanders just leave it alone? Put a plastic jesus figure under yer ass, instead, fer crissakes.
Of course, the problem in bringing this kind of thing to the attention of the public, is more publicity for the company that makes slave tikis, (The highest god of old Hawaii is here to serve you! here! Sit on the tiki throne while you get drunk on yer maitais!)
In the mainlander's tiki quest to turn all things tiki, they need 'tiki' icons all over the wall. In their hands Hawaiian tiki gods holding alcoholic drinks. tikis supporting their tables, tikis used as supports to hold up their bars, tikis at their knees, tikis under their asses.... tikis supporting their bodies on the tiki chair... when will it stop? will it stop? can it be curtailed? Who will help bring an end to this desecration?
can you imagine a carver in old Hawaii, carving an image of Ku in the form of a chair, so he and his friends can lounge on it?!
What's with the flamed tikis? is this a celebration of the burning of the ki'i back then?
These are sacred Polynesian images. They have no place or business being appropriated and utilized in america. Especially in the manner they are now.
In Ancient Hawaii, bowls supported by ki'i were carved and employed as an insult to the personages of other vanquished leaders.
To create and distribute a bench supported in a subservient manner as the Tiki bench shows Ku has been vanquished by the dominant tribe; The haoles and their fad merchandise machine. We are basically agreeing to this domination and oppression by allowing this to continue.
Do we see any backlash here? To what degree do we allow this to devolve? Why do islanders allow their sacred icons to continually be relegated to the lowest insulting level of cheap american commercialism?
Silence is acquiescence.Last edited by kimo55; February 23, 2006, 11:35 PM.Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Eh Kimo, they opening up one Trader Vic's in Bellevue this week (the one in Seattle closed down 15 years ago). I going spock insai to see if dey still get dakine fake tiki like they used to have...
Miulang"Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark TwainComment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
go white boy, go white boy, go...Comment
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Miulang is not a white boy.Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Errrmmm....
The way I see it is that it takes active intentent to make the 'position of submission' to work...and the people doing the seats are clueless. So by default the strength of Ku hasn't been lessened.
Now consider this, those seats are ment for a bar or some place where drinking is gonna go on, they really don't look all that comfy so the folks doing the drinking are gonna get all pained and irritated if they're sitting on em.
So now when they go to hit their vehicles they have the touch of Ku on em and fire water coursing through their veins...whatchu gonna think gonna happen later on?Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
Fundamentalist religious intolerance and racist epithats from Kimo55? Not what I think of as Aloha. I guess he must be ali'i. Otherwise he wouldn't want to go back to a culture where he'd be drowned for stepping in the king's shadow.Comment
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Re: More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...
So ya saying folks who would like a little respect for the religious part of the culture that's being abused and misused should just shut up and eat it like good lil subbies and let the clueless go on their merry way?
*lip quivers*
"MAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!.....Kimo's pokin' at my cool old Middle Eastern stuff with his nassy old Polynesian stuff!! He's gonna pop the pretty PC bubble I put around it too! WHAAAAAAAAAAAA.....~ Make him go sit in the back seat and be quiet!"
*sulks*Comment
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