More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...

[sinjin]

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But to put it in the context of this thread, what if that woman puts her mistrust into written form, and states in a public forum, that "all men are bastards, who deserve to be castrated at puberty, except for the one or two I personally deem trustworthy"? Do we, as a society (men and women alike) sit back and silently say "hmm...I guess that's okay, considering what men likely did to her great-grandmother"?

I would ammend her words to "All men might be bastards and will be treated as such until such time as I deem them trustworthy".

Do we as a society acknowledge her injury and say, "It'll take time for her to trust again"? During that time won't some men have to be patient and go that extra mile to do right by her even though they had no part in her pain?

By what right would any man say to her, "Get over it already"?

[Leo Lakio]

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I would ammend her words to "All men might be bastards and will be treated as such until such time as I deem them trustworthy".

And by what right do you get to amend her words? Who grants you the power to diminish her anger, to dismiss the integrity of her feelings?

Keep in mind that we are getting away from the point I was making earlier, which was that I found issue with Nalu's self-admitted "broad brush" in dealing with haoles. I still say that is racism. Again, racism is understandable, but that doesn't make it acceptable.

[sinjin]

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And by what right do you get to amend her words? Who grants you the power to diminish her anger, to dismiss the integrity of her feelings?

By what right? We were speaking hypothetically. I amended her words to indicate that I felt you went to far. Haoles are not being castrated by Hawaiians or locals. They're just a little slow to love you and me. Can't say I blame them. You would like to stand apart from history. You swear you aren't like those others. You don't get to make that call. Tough taro.

[Leo Lakio]

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You would like to stand apart from history. You swear you aren't like those others. You don't get to make that call.

And you put words in my mouth, sinjin. I belittled racist behavior by a poster; I didn't say "you have to treat me differently." In fact, I wrote that there was nothing I could do about that racism beyond being in control of my own behavior, except to point out its inherent hypocrisy.

And, whether you believe it or not, I do get to "make the call" as to whether I am different from my ancestors (or others with the same skin color); where I don't get to make the call is in how others react to my behavior - nor do I try to.

I also appear to be unable to steer you back to my original point about Nalu's racist statement (which is that I grasp what causes it, but I don't have to silently accept it), so feel free to free-wheel wherever you will.

[sinjin]

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And you put words in my mouth, sinjin. I belittled racist behavior by a poster; I didn't say "you have to treat me differently." In fact, I wrote that there was nothing I could do about that racism beyond being in control of my own behavior, except to point out its inherent hypocrisy.

And, whether you believe it or not, I do get to "make the call" as to whether I am different from my ancestors (or others with the same skin color); where I don't get to make the call is in how others react to my behavior - nor do I try to.

I also appear to be unable to steer you back to my original point about Nalu's racist statement (which is that I grasp what causes it, but I don't have to silently accept it), so feel free to free-wheel wherever you will.

Cool now braddah. We're just talkin'.

[Leo Lakio]

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Cool now braddah. We're just talkin'.

Agreed.
Handshake and/or shaka down the Left Coast at ya.

[kimo55]

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Kumbayaah muh lord, kumbayaaah!

[Leo Lakio]

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Kumbayaah muh lord, kumbayaaah!

Oh, that's SO haole!

[kimo55]

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blame it on creative 1.

he wants ta hold hands... while we sing it.

[sinjin]

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Choke me in the shallow water before I get too deep.

[Leo Lakio]

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Choke me in the shallow water before I get too deep.

What I am is what I am - are you what you are, o' wat?

[Caliguy]

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do you guys believe in the zoo theory? and i feel for the kanaka maoli. when the hawaiian revoloution starts , all the chamorros are gonna get on a plane and help you guys win the war. trust me , were all just waiting.

Chamorros don't get involved with other people's war...Chamorros have enough problems back in the islands as it is,but if you want to help the Hawaiians,then go ahead and make yourself look more stupid.

we hate the haole government cuz you guys hate .. guam is like hawaii's little brother.. just kidding ... i thank the united states for liberating us. but they didnt really "liberate" guam .. they just took us away from japanese , it was really in their best interest to do so. if they didnt fight japan , they would've lost the war. Guahan has been oppressed by foriegn people ever since magellan... the spanish killed and raped people here. theres no more pure chamorros left ..... no more chamorro blood either , just ancestors .. the american government provides us well.. but the language and everything is dying. its made us become lazy. they take the nicest land for their military bases. theres alot of complaints. Guam hasnt suffered as much as havai'i nae , i know. but were just following in our big brothers foot steps... just kidding.

Please Stop....Your embaressing all the Chamorro People,myself included...

I"m even wondering if your even Chamorro or one of those Non-Chamorros who were born and raised in Guam???

[Bard]

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Wow, this took a left turn somewhere between pages 1 and 8...

To the original subject, Kimo should be happy to know that the URL in question now leads to a domain parking page

[Lalalai671]

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Håfa Adai ginen Guåhan(Guam).

Please forgive my fellow Chamorro "Newroots," on his lack of respect for other ethnicities in the Pacific. He's just a radical, like most Chamorros, are because we're all hot-tempered, due to the fact that Spanish, U.S., Japan, and Germany.

Our islands of Guåhan, Luta, Tini'an, Sa'ipan, and our 11 northmost islands called Gåni, have been oppressed for almost 400 years till this day, wether our people do not see it as colonization and oppression, we too are brutally intolerant of Western ways. Our people have become so indoctrined in Western Ways. Our people unlike other Micronesian Islands prospered without any outside interference. We had our own means of ocean transportation (Galaide', Sakman.) We had hundreds of acres of farms that produced local vegetables and crops. We had our own rice plantations, which is indigenous to our islands, unlike any other place in the Pacific Island Region.

When "Newroots," stated that Hawaii is like Guam's big brother, that's erroneous. Guåhan was inhabited for over 2,000 years before any of the Polynesian Islands have been settled. Just excuse him, he doesn't know what he's speaking of, as many, so just excuse the ones that lack self-respect.

Also your statement, "Guam has been given the choice to choose their status with the U.S., likewise Puerto Rico, and that Hawai'i will never be given the choice. I disagree, because they haven't given us the option, and when they did Congress turned it down once again.

[pzarquon]

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Wow, this took a left turn somewhere between pages 1 and 8...

Well, then, this bump is for kimo55:

Cruise marketers to visit Isles for awareness training

A Miami-based cruise company that has apologized for and pulled an advertisement depicting the Kamehameha the Great statue holding a glass of champagne will also send its top marketing people to Hawai'i to undergo cultural awareness training.

I can't stop chuckling every time the image appears on the evening news. It's just so awful, I can't believe it made it past however many graphic artists and marketing VPs.

Icons are icons, I guess. Lord knows the poor Statue of Liberty has had just about every irreverant and offensive object under the sun attached to her. But if your intent isn't to provoke, if you're not a company that thinks any publicity is bad publicity, better do your research. Important tip for companies doing business in Hawaii: Have someone from Hawaii on the advertising team. Whew.

On the other hand, the company pulled the ads, apologized profusely, and is now investing in "sensitivity training" (in Hawaii? Hmm... how convenient for those insensitive marketing execs!). They stepped in it, and they're trying to make it right. That some group is now crying lawsuit strikes me as pretty lame.

I agree there's a lot of ignorance and blatant disrespect, but the solution is education, as has been graciously offered by the HVCB and the Native Hawaiian Hospitality Association. Hiring lawyers and taking the cruise company to court is a distinctly... I dunno, Mainland way of handling things, don't you think?