More sacrilegious commercialisation of Hawaiian culture...

[Glen Miyashiro]

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Even though I agree with most of what you said, Kimo, I woudn't use the word "sacred" there. "Worthy of respect", definitely, but "sacred", no. Perhaps it's just a matter of definitions, but knowing how you treat words, I won't go there.

[pzarquon]

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Kimo, since you may very well know more about tiki carvings and designs than anyone here... I noticed that Jamba Juice (the sister of Starbucks) has a line of silkscreened tees that feature a stylized tiki as its icon/logo. I'd love to know if there's misappropriated history there...

[kimo55]

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Even though I agree with most of what you said, Kimo, I woudn't use the word "sacred" there. "Worthy of respect", definitely, but "sacred", no.

just as the highest deities (Jesus, Mary, the concept of their God... and the images of jesus on the cross...) in chrtistianity are sacred to many americans... (THEY call them sacred, so I can respect that. )
just so;
Ku, Kane, Kanaloa, Lono, Hina, Pele... and others, all are sacred to many Hawaiians, ancient and modern.
you see: "sacred" is defined as worthy of religious veneration... entitled to reverence and respect.

Kimo, since you may very well know more about tiki carvings and designs than anyone here... I noticed that Jamba Juice (the sister of Starbucks) has a line of silkscreened tees that feature a stylized tiki as its icon/logo. I'd love to know if there's misappropriated history there...

I have seen it when I was jonesin' fer an overpriced smoothie. and surprisingly, I haveta admit, it was not too expensive and hit da spot. But i will protest to them of the point;
Saw the tikis on the cups. Typical stuff they create for the tourons;
fake 60's hawaiian style flower icons, their concession to a tapa design, and a "tiki". this standard image they use has too many of the attributes of Ku to be used as decor. many don't like to see this.
There are "grumblings" in the 'underground' soon to call for a major push for ho'oponopono.

Nope. I say; some things are sacred and should be treated as such. And supposedly, mature thinking adults should show respect.

Not only do many NOT exhibit a little respect, they display belligerence, antagonism and they argue for their right to be an ay-hole. And in front of their impressionable children.
When they are told; "kapu; stay on the other side of the chain. stay away from the ki'i. This area is kapu!"
They don't back up, Instead, they argue:
"Hey. We're just looking."
What kinda example do they offer others? what kind of a jerk are they teaching their kids to grow up to be?!
What diminished, corrupt form of a 'man' are they telling the world they have grown into?
What is the lesson?
"My offspring can grow up to do whatever they damn well please and show disrespect toward other cultures and fight with the representatives of the foreign cultures and 'religious icons' ".

vive la ugly americain

I'd love to know if there's misappropriated history there...

oh wait. does the inclusion of this laughing happy face mean yer jes joking? or really wanna know?
Inquiring minds or kolohe?

[Miulang]

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Kimo, since you may very well know more about tiki carvings and designs than anyone here... I noticed that Jamba Juice (the sister of Starbucks) has a line of silkscreened tees that feature a stylized tiki as its icon/logo. I'd love to know if there's misappropriated history there...

JambaJuice is not affiliated in any way with SBUX. They are a private company that offers franchises in this country. People might think they are related because they are both kinda upscale, but they are separate corporations.

In SBUX news today, though, they announced a partnership with Jim Beam to produce a chocolate liquer. I think they're straying a bit too far from their humble roots again. Who remembers "Joe" magazine, the monthly periodical about the "coffee experience" that SBUX was trying to get people to subscribe to???

Miulang

[pzarquon]

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JambaJuice is not affiliated in any way with SBUX. They are a private company that offers franchises in this country. People might think they are related because they are both kinda upscale, but they are separate corporations.

Technically true, but "not affiliated in any way" is a stretch. Hawaii is one of many markets where the same franchisee owns both Starbucks and Jamba Juice licenses. So, not only do the two stores usually share the same retail space, but the same office handles HR, PR, and other administrative functions for both Starbucks and Jamba Juice. Apparently, they also piggyback each other in getting permits and managing other bureaucracy when it comes to opening new locations.

So, they may be separate, but they're very friendly with each other!

oh wait. does the inclusion of this laughing happy face mean yer jes joking? or really wanna know? Inquiring minds or kolohe?

I want to know. I can't tell the difference between some graphic designers stylized impression of what he thinks a tiki should look like and a real tiki carving. I was just curious which one the Starbucks tiki was.

[kimo55]

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I want to know. I can't tell the difference between some graphic designers stylized impression of what he thinks a tiki should look like and a real tiki carving. I was just curious which one the Starbucks tiki was.

Coolness. Ok.
the jamba juice tiki, (and of course, if it's a copy of a Hawaiian diety, it is not a tiki)
is a graphic version of a war god. Thus:
What affiliation are they implying to the ancient art and culture of Hawaiian war? Why would they put a war god on a t shirt or cup?
Why not jesus?! or the anthropomorphic representation of the christian almighty god?
some dude with long white hair, beard, flowing robes, sittin on a throne handing out harps to miniangels fluttering by...

JambaJuice is not affiliated in any way with SBUX.

It's easy to see why we here in Hawaii think they may be affiliated; each and every starblecchs has a jamba jooz right next door. Or at most, two doors down...

Even if you put aside the religious/sacriligeous part of the icons depicted on that website, the question remains: what the hell does a tiki have to do with golfing anyway?

You can thank the mainland fad known as "tiki culture" or "polynesian pop" for the above.

among many other things, it has degegrated "tiki" to a trivial, fun, attitude projecting graphic well suited for to be emblazoned on most any product that can and will be consumed by american consumers.
just another example of polynesian culture being repacked by mainlanders for mainlanders.
too bad. so sad.

[kimo55]

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typos corrected...

You can thank the mainland fad known as "tiki culture" a.k.a., "polynesian pop" for the above.

among many other things, it has denegrated "tiki" to a trivial, fun, attitude projecting graphic well suited for to be emblazoned on most any product that can and will be consumed by american consumers.
just another example of polynesian culture being repackaged by mainlanders for mainlanders.
too bad. so sad.

[kimo55]

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Look out; here comes more disney-ification of Hawaii:
Disney is planning on offering tours of Hawaii's wilderness.
Possibly with costumed characters.
called:
escape to paradise.
Now, question remains:
How can WE escape the continual, further commercialisation and desecration in our paradise?!

[Glen Miyashiro]

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Look out; here comes more disney-ification of Hawaii:
Disney is planning on offering tours of Hawaii's wilderness.
Possibly with costumed characters.
called:
escape to paradise.
Now, question remains:
How can WE escape the continual, further commercialisation and desecration in our paradise?!

Do you have a newspaper citation? More details please.

[kimo55]

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Do you have a newspaper citation? More details please.

there's no pleasing some people...

[pzarquon]

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Do you have a newspaper citation? More details please.

Hawaii first up on Disney eco-tours

Disney will be testing an expansion of its vacation business later this year, offering weeklong guided tours through the wilds of Hawaii and Wyoming. Disney will run 15 tours this summer at a "test" cost of between $5,600 and $7,800 for a family of four, air fare not included. If the 30-person tours prove popular, they may become a fixture and could be expanded to other destinations, the company said. Details are still being worked out for the tours, titled "Escape to Paradise" and "Quest for the West." But promotional materials promise surfing lessons and volcano tours on Oahu, the Big Island and Kauai, and horseback rides through Wyoming's cowboy country of Jackson Hole, Grand Teton and Yellowstone.

Brace yourself: Disney is coming!

Ted Eubanks, a Texas-based outdoor and eco-tourism consultant, said Disney could find it tough to break into the market. "It's not that Disney can't do it. My word! They seem to be able to do whatever they set their mind to," Eubanks said. "I just wonder how well their brand will translate to these tours. Disney is in the business of virtual reality, fabricated reality. My clients are trying to escape that."

Both papers caught and used the same wire story, actually. Pity there wasn't more original reporting. You'd think Disney would have some local contact before announcing the endeavor.

[Glen Miyashiro]

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Well, damn. For years, I've been ranting about tourists who expect that the great outdoors (e.g. the Blowhole, Sacred Falls, the volcano) should be safe and well-padded against their own stupidity, saying "it's Nature, not Disneyland". Now it'll be both.

[Miulang]

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How will you differentiate the Disney tourists from the regular tourists? Will they all have to wear mouse ears? Gloves with only 4 fingers (no thumbs)? Wear big flappy shoes? Be perkier than most tourists????

In the eyes of the HCVB, more money is just more money. "It's a small world after all."

Miulang

P.S. you know all those places in the "Hawai'i Revealed" books that the locals are so huhu about because tourists have "discovered" what used to just be known to locals? Well, if Disney is planning to do ecotours, THOSE are the kinds of places that will see the increased demands placed on the land.

[kimo55]

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How will you differentiate the Disney tourists from the regular tourists? Will they all have to wear mouse ears? Gloves with only 4 fingers (no thumbs)?

sneak preview of the official uniform:
Here is what the tour guides will be wearing to enable us to avoid & evade the invaders...
http://www.hwcdsb.edu.on.ca/stmary/mickey.jpeg

(and whachu mean no thumbs?! Mickey always had thumbs!)
http://www.totowa.k12.nj.us/Mickey%20Mouse.JPG

[Miulang]

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(and whachu mean no thumbs?! Mickey always had thumbs!)
http://www.totowa.k12.nj.us/Mickey%20Mouse.JPG

If you spock da pickcha, he maybe get thumbs, but if he get thumbs, den he missing one odda finga on each hand. Which finga you tink dat one is missing, ha?

Miulang