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    Here's what another Marine, a highly decorated veteran of 2 tours to Iraq, had to do in order not to be sent back to Iraq for a third time. Now he's paying for his "insubordination" with a less than honorable discharge and being denied help by the VA for his PTSD.

    "... Back from leave, Daniel, who was awarded eight decorations for valor, was in for some surprises. "We go back to Camp Lejeune and we get a new CO [commanding officer] who's never been to Iraq, who doesn't have nearly as many ribbons as I do," says Daniel. "He goes, 'Get prepared to go back to Iraq in January!' This was October. We just got back. All of our jaws just dropped. He goes, 'But go home and have fun for about three weeks.'" As Daniel recounts this announcement of a third tour of duty in the Middle East in as many years, his stutter becomes much more pronounced. "I felt like a weight just got put on my chest. I couldn't breathe. Panic attacks. I can't believe this is going to happen. Everybody felt the same way. A couple of people didn't come back from leave. They decided to stay home."...

    "... This veteran of some of the worst fighting in the Iraq War, now a lance corporal and faced with a third tour of duty in the war zone, asked to see a counselor of some type, "because my head was not right." Nothing happened. He told his first sergeant that he was a conscientious objector, and he says the sergeant responded: "Get those words out of your mouth right now." Daniel was trying everything he could think of to avoid shipping out to Iraq again, and couldn't see a way out.

    So he made a fateful decision.

    "I was pretty frustrated," he explains. "I wanted them to listen to me, so I decided to do something where I would stand out and get everybody's attention. I knew by doing this I would not have to go back to Iraq and harm any more people. I decided to take drugs that Friday, knowing I had a piss test on Monday. I did drugs. I did the urinalysis test on Monday. Went home for a Christmas break on Friday." Back on base after the holidays, Daniel was told he had "popped," failed the drug test.

    Daniel picked cocaine as his drug of choice, convinced that if he only smoked marijuana the Marines would just slap his hand and send him packing for Iraq. He says it was the first time he had used cocaine. "I knew that if I did that they would listen to me." He finally was awarded a meeting with the battalion's commanding officer and was told that as long as he trained a replacement radio operator, he would be discharged "in a timely manner."

    The day Daniel's unit shipped out to Iraq, the Marines put him on a four-day bus trip back to California, with an Other Than Honorable (OTH) discharge. "I felt really bad. I felt really bad." Other Marines in his unit failed to show up for Iraq duty, he says, and still others followed his example and used drugs in order to fail the mandatory drug test. "None of them wanted to go back, none of them did. But they did not know how to get out. I feel bad for all of them. Sometimes I wish I was with them because they were my family over there. But I have to do what I do for myself."

    With three years in the Marines, two tours of duty in the war zone, eight decorations, and one bad drug test, Daniel went to the Veterans Administration in San Jose complaining of post-traumatic stress disorder, seeking help. "I showed them my papers and they said, 'Wow, you're pretty decorated. We need to get you some help.' Then they looked at the OTH and said, 'Can't do nothing for you.'" In addition to being denied help from the VA, Daniel forfeited the $1,200 the Marines took out of his first year's pay as his required contribution to qualify for GI benefits.

    "I still have bad dreams every night," he says. "It's like a video that rewinds and every time I go to sleep it plays back and I wake up distraught. It just doesn't go away."...

    Miulang
    "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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      Muilang,
      This doesn't suprise me at all. The War Resisters Campaign here in Canada has made it a point to educate people that even though desertions from the US military is only at 8,800. The real number of resisters is actually way higher if you include members who continuosly going U.A. or AWOL to get out, who fail Urinanalyis, or those who hurt themselves on purpose to get out of deployment and the service.
      "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
      Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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        This story was published in Harper's Magazine in March, 2005. Since that time, another 3,000 troops have gone AWOL (at the time of the article's publication, the DoD estimated that 5,500 troops had deserted). The numbers of troops involved and their volume of their voices seem to be increasing.

        Miulang
        "Americans believe in three freedoms. Freedom of speech; freedom of religion; and the freedom to deny the other two to folks they don`t like.” --Mark Twain

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        • Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

          To add to you last comment Muilang, since the Hadditha incident and the press coverage that I had with BBC and CBC in the mainland US and then subsequently Lt. Watada, the GI Rights Hotline call Volume has tripled. Soldiers, Sailors, Airman, and Marines are asking how to get out and if not how to get to Canada.

          Please note that GI Rights Hotline does not encourage servicemembers to desert rather they provide unbiased inoformation for those whom are contemplating it.
          "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
          Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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            Originally posted by War_Resisters_Canada
            To add to you last comment Muilang, since the Hadditha incident and the press coverage that I had with BBC and CBC in the mainland US and then subsequently Lt. Watada, the GI Rights Hotline call Volume has tripled. Soldiers, Sailors, Airman, and Marines are asking how to get out and if not how to get to Canada.

            Please note that GI Rights Hotline does not encourage servicemembers to desert rather they provide unbiased inoformation for those whom are contemplating it.
            Chris... nice name we share the same. I'm sorry but I have read all your posts but to me you are a coward. If you felt this way you should have never joined..When was it you joined 2005? By then you knew what was going on in Iraq and you had plenty of information to base your decision on BEFORE you signed up. I don't think you should have signed up, wasted all MY taxpayer dollars on your training, background check, uniforms ect. and then said woopsy.. I think this war is illegal now I'll just teeter off to Canada and wait til this blows over. You can fool other people but not me. I really think you are a coward as well as the LT that this thread is about. You know what they say, you cant spell LOST without LT.

            But hey... maybe you can come back in 60 years and spend 30 days in the brig and they will call it even just like that old man that defected to North Korea. You know he only came back to a democratic country for medical aid. I guess that socialized medicine wasn't that great. Well enjoy it, thats what you have to look forward to.

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              Well Christopher,
              I am sorry to hear that your mind is made up. I am not sure whether or not you have ever served in the military. But I am assuming you have not and if you have I am sorry. Chris, as an American and a former card carrying Team Leader for the GOP (Republican), I was filled with US Propaganda, belief that president was doing what is right, that we are fighting for freedom in Iraq, but now I see the truth. After hearing what my sergeant wanted me to do I did some research to see just regulation he was breaking so I could bring it up the chain of command. I came across the Resolution for Armed Services in Iraq, the CIA - UN Inteligence Brief, 9/11 commision, and all of these documents just contradicted each other. The Resolution says we went in for WMDs and Saddam Hussein because of his connections with al Qeada, well the 9/11 report says their was no relationship. Might I add that this commision although underbudgeted, undermanned, and given a strict a short timeline still came out with that information. So I am pretty sure that part was the truth even though their are many things in the document that are hard to believe. Also WMDs it has been 3 years I have yet to hear a report of WMDs. GWB even apologized to the nation at one point about faulty inteligence but still told us to stay the course. Now if I am wrong for learning and adapting my lifestyle to what I have learned to turn my back on things that I now know I am wrong than so be it. But last time I checked when we scold our children about something and now they know it is wrong we expect them not to take part. I am sure you will try to find a way to say that I am wrong you are right. And simply I do not want to argue I only wish to speak out and let people know what is going on from a Marines stand point. Now if you want to argue why dont you go on Hannity and Colmes or the O'Riely Factor but dont take it to me...
              "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
              Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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                Also for a government to provide for ones people through a democratic form socialism like Canada has is not a bad thing not something I want to argue in here but I will comment on it. Every person not citizen has health care no matter their income or status. If you get hurt you go to the ER and there is no long filling out forms you go in you get diagnosed and treated and you are out all you do is give them your Provincial health card or ID... Now that is better than where some hospitals in the US prefer to care for those with insurance you cant tell me that to do such is sickening. On another note Canada's healthcare facilities and healthcare professionals are the best in the world according to recent studies. So I am sorry but Socialist Healthcare is fine with me...
                "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
                Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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                  Your track record for assumptions isn't serving you well.. I served. Proudly. I have the 30 % disability pension to prove it. You can continue your ruse and sing your song for people who will buy it. You don't deserve to call yourself a marine and I'm sure any other marine that reads your posts would agree. Sorry again but a quitter and a coward is all I see. I just felt I should let you know. Some people aren't cut out for military service and you obviously are one of them.

                  Have a good Canadian life.

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                    I am sorry to everyone that participates in the Post and knows that I do not tend to get arguementative or insultative but I must just once.

                    Chris,
                    Open your eyes to the world around you. You still think socialism is evil. You think the government doesn't lie. You think that 8,800 deserters are leaving for no reason. We joined for a reason we left for a reason you can call us cowards for not wanting to fight and die in an illegal war. But do you research before you start talking... And I am have a good life in Canada and I will continualy do so. I tell you what I will pop open a Molsen Canadian and have a toast to you the next time I am in Grossmans world famous blues club. And I will eat my poutine happily while you are there living in you dream land. I will continually enjoy the friendships I have made in the most diverse country in world. And I will continue to go to the US embassy in the great city of Toronto and speak out against the Republican Administration and where they are leading the once greatest country in the world. Oh yea by the way China a SOCIALIST nation is now the worlds superpower just to let you know in case you didn't. They have the largest military and financially they are in control of over 1/3 of the US Debt...
                    "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
                    Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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                      Keep talking.. Its ok.. Your true views are coming out. You can say it. You want to be a communist. Fine by me just not in MY country. USSR WAS a superpower too. What happened? A short refresher in history will do YOU some good.
                      Of course they have the largest military. Look at how many people there are. They don't have the equipment to match their size though. The most advanced piece of equipment that they have a decent amount of are T-55s. They have some T-72s but lot of good that did Iraq the first time around huh. Good point though, thanks for playing.
                      BTW we only have 2 years left of the "Bush regime:" You have a lifetime of Molsen.
                      Sorry you have to drink that beer. Eh.
                      Last edited by chriscollado; June 18, 2006, 07:34 AM.

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                        "You have a lifetime of Molsen. Sorry you have to drink that beer. Eh"

                        Sorry to go off subject... but Candian Beer is pretty good... It's also in general has a higher "octane/alcohol" level...lmao (if you ever get the chance...try a "Kokanee"
                        www.kokaneebeer.com)

                        The drinking age at least in British Columbia is 19 and it doesn't seem like they're youths are near as dependent upon alcohol as our youths.

                        But I wouldn't ever risk the chance of being banned from my own country on the count of a Beer!

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                        • Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

                          Aloha Mr. Christopher Magaoay,

                          I am not posting to debate you this morning. No. I am posting to tell you even though you may say you enjoy the Canadian Life in which you have chosen...being a local boy from Hawaii, you surely must miss our islands and her Majestic Beauty!

                          I could never give up my Freedom as an American nor give up my Life living here in Paradise in the islands in which I was born!

                          To do so...I would rather DIE!

                          Auntie Lynn
                          Mother of Soldiers

                          btw: Chriscollado hit it on the nose this morning on what your "True Views" are!
                          Last edited by 1stwahine; June 18, 2006, 07:27 AM.
                          Be AKAMAI ~ KOKUA Hawai`i!
                          Philippians 4:13 --- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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                            I miss Maui deeply... However a sacrifice has been made... I am simply trading one beauty for another instead of the tropics now I am in the Great White North (which really it doesn't snow all year round, and the Haoles here aint that great so I dont get the name) but Canada is beautiful but nothing compare to Hawaii. I have learned you cannot replace home...

                            And on a ligher note... Canadian Beer is way better in my opinion to any american beer... Canada is home to over +80 varieties of corporate brewed beers and endless microbrews. Molsen is better than Budwiser or Coors. And yes I have tried Kokanee but my favorite is Wild Boar Black Oak Pale Ale. I have tried all kinds of beer here and I find Qubeec beer is the best...
                            "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
                            Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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                              Also I am not giving up my freedom... I believe and many others believe that Canada's social system, values and ethics create a more liberal society where freedom of speach, expression, religion, and just about anything you can think of is more open and less restrictive than the US...
                              "Canada shall be a refuge from militarism"
                              Prime Minister Piere Trudeau

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                                Originally posted by War_Resisters_Canada
                                Also I am not giving up my freedom... I believe and many others believe that Canada's social system, values and ethics create a more liberal society where freedom of speach, expression, religion, and just about anything you can think of is more open and less restrictive than the US...
                                Are you applying for Canadian Citizenship?

                                If you enjoy their hospitality and country so much why not?

                                Auntie Lynn

                                btw: Yes, you did the best thing. To leave. When one puts one's own country and it's system down - one does not belong nor deserves to be in it!
                                Last edited by 1stwahine; June 18, 2006, 07:39 AM.
                                Be AKAMAI ~ KOKUA Hawai`i!
                                Philippians 4:13 --- I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

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