Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5
This thread keeps bringing up a question in my mind - is there a chart somewhere to which I can refer that will tell me the value system for opinions expressed on HT?
I'm not sure I understand how to rank the postings of former Island residents presently on the Mainland versus those of former Mainland residents who now live in the Islands. Is it okay if I just view them all as "valid?"
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Yes. I am being facetious. But since I'm on the Mainland, that probably means that I'm less funny than the rest of you (but certainly not more serious.)
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Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5
Originally posted by Miulang View PostYou're wrong, Mel. I'm not telling you what you should do.
Unfortunately, maybe the way they say it is too pushy and aggressive for the laid back style of Hawai'i, but most malihini really do want to help preserve Hawai'i.
When you start having water restrictions most of the year (as is the case on Moloka'i and now Central Maui)
Apparently that didn't make it on the news in Seattle, though. Too bad. Might've made your posts more accurate.
Do we want that to happen to Hawai'i? No. But it's not up to us.
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Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5
Originally posted by Miulang View PostIf you want another generalization, Leo, doesn't this remind you of the bickering between King County and the rest of the State of Washington?
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Originally posted by Leo Lakio View PostSeems like the only thing that unites the residents of different islands now is a dislike of mainlanders. Lacking that, you could just keep on bickering at each other, no?
(of course, I'm generalizing...)
Miulang
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Re: Hawai'i Superferry - Chapter 5
Seems like the only thing that unites the residents of different islands now is a dislike of mainlanders. Lacking that, you could just keep on bickering at each other, no?
(of course, I'm generalizing...)
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Originally posted by craigwatanabe View PostIf you want the fast pace "get it now" feeling then Oahu is the place to go. If you want something else, that's what the neighbor islands are for.
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Originally posted by mel View PostAnd this is what we are all frustrated with when someone from Seattle CONSTANTLY tells us "this is what we SHOULD do", "this is how it is done up here" "you SHOULD" "They MAY", etc., etc.
One of the reasons why some of the Mainland folks who have moved to the 'aina are saying the kinds of things they're saying (and that some folks in the 'aina are interpreting as them wanting things their way) is because of one of the main reasons why they moved to Hawai'i was to get away precisely from the kinds of things some people in Hawai'i want. Unfortunately, maybe the way they say it is too pushy and aggressive for the laid back style of Hawai'i, but most malihini really do want to help preserve Hawai'i. They could have stayed in LA or Seattle if they wanted big city life (hence the locals' chanting "if you don't like it, go back to wherever you came from" is so grating). That's why they side with the people on the Neighbor Islands in trying to slow down rampant growth. Notice I said slow down, not stop completely. When you start having water restrictions most of the year (as is the case on Moloka'i and now Central Maui), or you find that you can't get adequate healthcare, you start thinking maybe it's time to stop encouraging growth so the people who already live in an area have enough for themselves.
They (and I) have seen what unchecked development can do to areas on CONUS that used to be pristine. Do we want that to happen to Hawai'i? No. But it's not up to us. If the electorate in Hawai'i is really concerned about what happens in Hawai'i, then they need to step up to the plate and vote. They can't let things happen around them and then, after the fact, decide it's not something they like (at least since your current State Constitution does not allow for referenda). That's why the frustration on Kaua'i is so telling.
The group that is protesting could have done exactly the same thing that Maui did, and they did try to go to the courts to register their concerns. But as the Circuit Court judge on Kaua'i ruled, they filed their motions outside the 120 day comment period allowed by the State laws. So that was their error. They have a right to protest, but they don't have a right to break the law. Those who break the law should be punished. But some of the punishments handed down to the people of Kaua'i last week seem a little overboard, too, and that created even more hostility and the possibillity of serious injuries if the Alakai had decided to sail on the 26th.
So whether the HSF management decided on their own, or the Gov., after the community meeting last week requested it, it was a very prudent idea to postpone that next trip to Kaua'i.
You don't have to listen to me, but do listen to kama'ainas like Craig who live the dichotomy every day. What he and some other residents have to say about seeing both sides of the story are what might someday be able to heal the horrible rift that is happening today.
Miulang
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Originally posted by Konaguy View PostIt is funny how people forget history ? What happened when Iniki hit in 1992 ?
Next time if a hurricane hits Kauai hopefully no one will be sending emergency supplies there. You guys can survive on your own, eh ?
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About a decade ago, a friend of mine, a Big Island native, moved back with her two kids and applied for a job in Hilo. One of the questions she was asked: DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIVES HERE? WHO?
It seemed so "clannish" as the interviewer was aware she had come from Oahu. She said it made her feel like an "invader." She got the job, but wondered how much the fact that she had graduated from a rural Big Island high school had to do with it.
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Originally posted by Deep Thought View PostI've run into the anti-Honolulu xenophobia a bunch of times. I have to say it's usually not from very intelligent specimens, definitely a minority. Still... all the rhetoric that's coming from the neighbor islands out of this HSF debacle has me seriously considering how I will think about them when they come to Oahu. Heck, they come to Oahu and rent cars and fill up our already over-full streets! Damn that sounds silly. I don't really care if folks from the rest of the state come here for fun or money, they're welcome as long as they don't come with a chip on their shoulder.
What irks the bejeebers out of me is hearing the anti-Oahu rhetoric from mainland transplants. And I've heard it from people who have lived on Kauai for barely a year. Pffffft.
I'd like to tell them to hike their retired selves on over to Stanford the next time they're in the market for a quadruple bypass.
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I've run into the anti-Honolulu xenophobia a bunch of times. I have to say it's usually not from very intelligent specimens, definitely a minority. Still... all the rhetoric that's coming from the neighbor islands out of this HSF debacle has me seriously considering how I will think about them when they come to Oahu. Heck, they come to Oahu and rent cars and fill up our already over-full streets! Damn that sounds silly. I don't really care if folks from the rest of the state come here for fun or money, they're welcome as long as they don't come with a chip on their shoulder.
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From the blog of Joan Conrow, who racked up several bylines in the Honolulu Advertiser in its Superferry coverage:
The Honolulu Advertiser pulled me off the Superferry story today because of this blog. Guess it was being circulated at the state Capitol, which absolutely astounded me, and Derrick DePledge, the Advertiser’s government reporter, ratted me out to the editors. They sent him to Kauai to cover tonight’s meeting with the guv, instead.
Earlier in the day, someone had called to advise the Advertiser editors that their new stringer (yours truly) was a freelancer for the Sierra Club — an apparent reference to an article I wrote a number of years back for Sierra magazine about pharmaceuticals and personal care products showing up in ground water around the world.
It's OK to have opinions when you write for the mainstream press, you just have to make like you don't, and I've never been too good at pretending.
I don’t mind losing the Advertiser gig, but feel sad their coverage will now lack the perspective of someone who actually lives on Kauai. As people over here keep saying, “We don’t feel like we’re being heard.” And the truth of it is, we aren't.
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Originally posted by craigwatanabe View Post
That, "I'm from Honolulu" remark was worse than scratching a chalkboard to my ears. And it wasn't even the words but the condescending tone of it all, as if they were saying, "I'm from Honolulu and you're not", like that's supposed to make me feel appreciative of them? Oh my, a God is in my presence I had better bow down and kiss his knuckles.
When I lived in Honolulu I'd feel the same way when someone from New York City would tell me things that made Oahu so backwoods, "well on the Mainland we do it this way..." Yeah right well this is Hawaii where we don't okay buddy?
These condescending remarks was enough to really frustrate anyone who had to be on the receiving end.
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Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View PostLOL @ all the comments saying that Kauai cannot survive w/o the Super Ferry. I've lived here for 26 of my 27 years (21 of 27 if you count college), and we've never come close to running out of any "essential" supplies.
Next time if a hurricane hits Kauai hopefully no one will be sending emergency supplies there. You guys can survive on your own, eh ?
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Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View PostI can't imagine it bringing a critical mass of freight that it would put a dent in shipping prices, or make it a significant competitor against Young Brothers, Hawaiian, Aloha, and anyone else that brings passengers and cargo en masse.
Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View PostAnd I think that most of Hawaii's who is laughing at Kauai's protesters don't get our point--we're not completely opposed to the Super Ferry. We're just asking Linda to obey laws and get an EIS done.
Originally posted by Mike_Lowery View PostNo. If so, protesters would be blocking those $1-$9 flights from leaving/coming.
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