Britney Finished?

[tikiyaki]

Re: Why I think Kanye didn't host the VMAs

MTV plays rap. hip-hop is not the same. hip-hop has not existed since the mid-'90s.

and that's all kids are doing--wearing it, speaking it, acting it--they are not being it.

Mike, c'mon. Hip Hop is an evolving genre. Because it has evolved into to a version of itself that you don't like, doesn't mean it's not hip hop.

Maybe the version of it now is not to your liking, or maybe it's become pop culture, so it's no longer "hip hop" in your eyes.

I had the first RUN-DMC record when it came out. To me, THAT'S HIP HOP.
Kurtis Blow, Whodini, LL COOL J...but that's almost 25 years ago. I'll take any of those guys over what is now called Hip Hop.

But that's just me. I personally "checked out" on Hip Hop when I NWA started talking about killing cops and ushered in "Gangsta Rap".

That was the end of it for me.

To say kids aren't "being" hip hop is a broad sweep. There are lots of people "being" hip hop. Just not the version of it you like.

Hip Hop is currently so big, it has no choice but to eat itself. Which it will eventually do.

[Random]

Re: Britney Finished?

Playboy was mentioned on this thread and just this AM or yesterday's, one of the KSSK phone-in, Hollywood reporters said that poor Brittany recently contacted Playboy and said that she is finally ready to do the magazine, as they'd offered her years ago and told her she could "write her own paycheck" in the deal.

Playboy said "no thanks!" reportedly.

Sighs.

Seriously, somebody need to stage an intervention for her.

[Karen]

Re: Britney Finished?

Playboy was mentioned on this thread and just this AM or yesterday's, one of the KSSK phone-in, Hollywood reporters said that poor Brittany recently contacted Playboy and said that she is finally ready to do the magazine, as they'd offered her years ago and told her she could "write her own paycheck" in the deal.

Playboy said "no thanks!" reportedly.

[Random]

Re: Why I think Kanye didn't host the VMAs

Hip-hop forever!

Meh. I got too much rock n' roll in me. I can only go so far as R&B.

[Random]

Re: Britney Finished?

I say "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Matthew 7:1

Meh. I'm too old to be a pop star.

[Random]

Re: Britney Finished?

Deborah Gibson never posed in PLAYBOY? I'm sure she has been offered many times as has Britney Spears.

Well, she is pretty ... still.

It's not like Playboy is going to knock on Rosie O'Donnell's door anytime soon.

[Mike_Lowery]

Re: Why I think Kanye didn't host the VMAs

What ? "Hopefully resurrect hip hop" ? When did hip hop die ?

The Top 20 is filled with hip hop. Kids wear hip hop, kids speak hip hop. kids act hip hop....That's all there IS is hip hop.

Wat really neds to happen is a resurrection of REAL rock n roll.

That's what MTV is sorely missing. There is LOTS of Hip Hop on MTV.

MTV plays rap. hip-hop is not the same. hip-hop has not existed since the mid-'90s.

and that's all kids are doing--wearing it, speaking it, acting it--they are not being it.

[TATTRAT]

Re: Britney Finished?

And what about Kanye's meltdown?

I am a little tired of millionaire moguls, with little more then common beats and has been lyrics complaining about how "the man is holding them down"...hip Hop is more then music, it is now a culture, there is no resurrection needed. All one has to do is look around.

"West, waiting for an elevator in a crowded hallway, began yelling about losing all five categories for which he was nominated, including male artist of the year.
"That's two years in a row, man ... give a black man a chance," said West, stomping around his entourage and directing his comments at a reporter. "I'm trying hard man, I have the ... No. 1 record, man."


People need to grow up.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070910/...rds_kanye_west

[tikiyaki]

Re: Why I think Kanye didn't host the VMAs

With the VMAs happening close to the date that Kanye West's "Graduation" was released in stores (it was released on rapidshare and zshare a couple months ago), many people are wondering why Britney Spears got to open the popular awards show. Well, Kanye will be around for several more years, selling several million more CDs. MTV was doing the music industry a favor and killing off an era of teen/ 20-something pop stars from the late '90s to early 2000's.

I have not watched MTV since leaving college in 2005, in protest that the channel actually be of substance to garner my attention, but I applaud their choice to end Britney's career this past weekend. Inducing her backstage meltdown after her performance will hopefully resurrect hip-hop, and induce a maturation process for Britney. Hopefully now she will have time to ensure that her kids (plural?) are properly restrained in a car seat, get back in shape, and find a decent husband.

Hip-hop forever!

What ? "Hopefully resurrect hip hop" ? When did hip hop die ?

The Top 20 is filled with hip hop. Kids wear hip hop, kids speak hip hop. kids act hip hop....That's all there IS is hip hop.

Wat really neds to happen is a resurrection of REAL rock n roll.

That's what MTV is sorely missing. There is LOTS of Hip Hop on MTV.

[Mike_Lowery]

Why I think Kanye didn't host the VMAs

With the VMAs happening close to the date that Kanye West's "Graduation" was released in stores (it was released on rapidshare and zshare a couple months ago), many people are wondering why Britney Spears got to open the popular awards show. Well, Kanye will be around for several more years, selling several million more CDs. MTV was doing the music industry a favor and killing off an era of teen/ 20-something pop stars from the late '90s to early 2000's.

I have not watched MTV since leaving college in 2005, in protest that the channel actually be of substance to garner my attention, but I applaud their choice to end Britney's career this past weekend. Inducing her backstage meltdown after her performance will hopefully resurrect hip-hop, and induce a maturation process for Britney. Hopefully now she will have time to ensure that her kids (plural?) are properly restrained in a car seat, get back in shape, and find a decent husband.

Hip-hop forever!

[tutusue]

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[...]I, for one, would like to see a new breed of musician that is NOT a copycat clone, [...]

For me that's 3rd place AIer, Melinda Doolittle.

[TATTRAT]

Re: Britney Finished?

that is not a bad break down of things. Like Madonna, she might reinvent herself again and again, but only time will tell.

Personally, I much prefer the shapeliness of the new, so call" less then porn perfect" Britney. I think the media sends the wrong idea of beauty, but that is another story.

She is a human, and trying to make a buck ultimately. Though she is not, and has never been my cup of tea, I still feel she is a poor role model. If I had a teen/preteen daughter, I would not want her looking up to that as a positive figure. I am sure my parents thought the same thing about some of the punk rockers I grew up listening to, but oh well.

I guess overall, I am just always surprised that so many people revolve around somebodies empty life. Celebrity life seems to almost rule the headlines, and that is sad, imo.

I, for one, would like to see a new breed of musician that is NOT a copycat clone, made to sell records and sacrifice actual talent for marketability. The market is flooded with too many no talent ass clowns. Seems that it is all a case of re-hash. Britney is set, she could drop out now and never look back, I will still work for a living. I don't care what she is doing or what is is fouling up. If more people had that mindset, we wouldn't give a crap. Youtube is FULL of people doing stupid things and performing badly, that is entertainment enough for me.

[cynsaligia]

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From salon.com:

There was also the harsh but deserved criticism of her performance and, more horrendously, of her physique. Spears, it seems, two children and five years of self-abuse later, no longer pleases the public with her hourglass shape. No, her ill-fitting outfit showed off a figure that was not as compact and pink as it was when she was a teenager. Sure, she looked better in a bikini than probably 98 percent of the Americans sitting on their couches and howling at her, but she was no longer porn-star perfect. And in the American lexicon, that equals fat. Wonder why your daughters have eating disorders and hate their bodies? Maybe because they're reading reports that label the thin young woman dancing around in a bra and panties physically unappealing and obese.

But shame on Spears for cheerfully submitting to our expectations once again, after all these years and all the crap she's taken. I'm willing to believe that she was pushed into show business by a striving mom (a woman whom time, and the arrival of Vampire Mother of the Damned Dina Lohan on the scene, has flattered), molded into a confusing vamp-virgin and told to sing songs about being hit while wearing a schoolgirl outfit; I'm willing to believe that she was offered no moral structure or opportunity to build a personality of her own; I'm willing to believe that she is a victim of grotesque class expectations that chucked her back in the Cheetohs-and-trucker-hats ghetto as swiftly as erotic expectations plucked her from it. But I'm not willing to believe that she was forced by anyone to show up on national television on Sunday night.

IMO, this is probably the best and most truthful breakdown of the...well, breakdown, that is britney spears.

[Karen]

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She should be finished for the foreseeable future. The sad and embarassingly unprofessional way that the MTV show opened makes one wonder...who'd be more pitiful, the people that would PAY to go see her anytime soon, or her for daring to actually try to sell tickets for people to actually sit and watch her.

I've seen better moves in Jazzercise class!

She makes over 700K a month, so if she has no career left she'll be fine if she just won't blow it all on partying, hence her kids may...be fine. Dunno, as her parenting skills are questionable to say the least.

[Leo Lakio]

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i was merely pointing out that given female celebs and male celebs who have reached a certain level of fame/notoriety (whether deserved or not), the male celebs are likely to get a pass that the females don't. --- yep. still pissed about the double standard.

I don't see a double standard, actually. I see more women in the bad spotlight these days, because (1) there are far more women in the top tiers of entertainment than there were just thirty years ago (especially in popular music - which is a GOOD thing), and (2) the press used to be more complicit in hiding "bad habits" than they are now.

yes, i will heartily admit (Eminem) got flack for it, but nowhere near the kind of negative press that britney does.

Well, since I avoid, rather than follow celebrity "news," I can't cite anything that says he got as much bad press - but I don't think you can prove that he got less, either. I certainly remember hearing or reading very harsh press about him, and for a long time, too. I think people will talk about his misogynistic lyrics for a lot longer than the MTV Video Awards performance that started this thread.

oh, and how many generations are there of male rockers have given drug addled, piss-poor, incoherent performances? these same guys sometimes not only had children, but had children by several different women, and did not marry them. yet we don't hear about those unless we see the stories, years later, on vh-1's "behind the music."

What - have people finally stopped talking about Keith Richards's heavy drug use, or Mick Jagger's rocky relationships, or any of the other abuses of rockers from the '60s? No one speaks of Brian Wilson's messed-up nature, or Phil Spector's bizzare behavior? How about Patti Boyd's new book, where she tells how, despite years of begging from Eric Clapton, she insisted on staying with and trying to rebuild her marriage to George Harrison - until he had an affair with Ringo's wife, Maureen?

The stories of these men are out there, but the general public shows less interest in old fut stars than in attractive young female celebs. Perhaps that's the double standard. Maybe there's where the problem lies - with the consumers of this crap than with those who feed it to us.