Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

[LikaNui]

Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

i am less than 2 miles from your public housing project and when the economy collapses and the riots start later this year,i and a few of my buds will visit your slums to exterminate your kind with our sig sauer p226s and sks assault rifles and mossberg 12 gauges.it will be my pleasure and fun as hell to rid lowlife slugs like you.
its just natural evolution and darwins law what is going to happen.

"Hello, HPD? I'd like to report a flagrant and direct threat..."
(Oh, did I say that out loud?)
I'm 101% certain that Ryan will ban this Boowa idiot the instant he sees the post. Mahalo in advance, Ryan.

[Miulang]

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I am former military officer of AJA. I served in Desert Storm. Watada is a disgrace to all the AJA that served before him. If you have not served or are not close to someone who served, then you cannot begin to understand the implications of Watada's actions.

Time is not on his side. If he misses his movement at the end of the month, then the gears will start turning. And he will be between the teeth. It is not a question of "if" it will a question of "when" he gets locked up.

He had several options once he realized that he could not in good conscience lead his unit into battle in Iraq and the Army declined his resignation: he could have filed for CO status, which he has said he didn't want to do because he doesn't object to all wars (in fact, if the Army ordered him to deploy to Afghanistan, he would go willingly) and because he isn't objecting on religious grounds. He could have gone AWOL as Lance Cpl. Magaoag (formerly from Maui) did a couple of months ago by running to Canada or, the option he chose, refuse to deploy to Iraq and face the consequences of a court martial and jail time (5 years for each order disobeyed). The Army would be nuts to try to force him to go to Iraq now that he has made his sentiments known publicly. In Vietnam, I understand that when troops didn't like someone in their unit, they allowed "accidents" (also called "fragging") to occur; the same fate would probably befall Lt. Watada, unfortunately, if he was deployed with the unit he was initially supposed to lead.

Miulang

[Leo Lakio]

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"Hello, HPD? I'd like to report a flagrant and direct threat..."
(Oh, did I say that out loud?)
I'm 101% certain that Ryan will ban this Boowa idiot the instant he sees the post. Mahalo in advance, Ryan.

Boowa is "son of aaa111."

[1stwahine]

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"Hello, HPD? I'd like to report a flagrant and direct threat..."
(Oh, did I say that out loud?)

Likanui, I got it handled already. Afterall, I'm Auntie Lynn of Chinatown!

Nuff said. They will be contacting Ryan.

1stwahine

[Leo Lakio]

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They will be contacting Ryan.

He can't say he wasn't warned about boowa, either.

[Adri]

Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

He had several options once he realized that he could not in good conscience lead his unit into battle in Iraq and the Army declined his resignation: he could have filed for CO status, which he has said he didn't want to do because he doesn't object to all wars (in fact, if the Army ordered him to deploy to Afghanistan, he would go willingly) and because he isn't objecting on religious grounds. /snip
Miulang

Could he have filed for CO status even though he volunteered to join the military? It's my understanding that when you enter the military as a volunteer, you have to affirm that you are not a conscientious objecter. Generally seeking CO status is done in draft situations where people did not volunteer to join the military. Also, it's not necessary that his objection be based on religious grounds ~ it could be based on moral or ethical grounds ~ but it does have to apply to all wars and not just one particular war.

[Miulang]

Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

Could he have filed for CO status even though he volunteered to join the military? It's my understanding that when you enter the military as a volunteer, you have to affirm that you are not a conscientious objecter. Generally seeking CO status is done in draft situations where people did not volunteer to join the military. Also, it's not necessary that his objection be based on religious grounds ~ it could be based on moral or ethical grounds ~ but it does have to apply to all wars and not just one particular war.

Apparently he could have (at least that's
what he said in the news conference yesterday), but decided it was more cowardly to take this route than it was refuse to deploy and to face a court martial and jail time, even though his Dad petitioned for CO status and ended up serving in the Peace Corps in Peru for a few years of alternative service during the Vietnam era.

Miulang

[Leo Lakio]

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Could he have filed for CO status even though he volunteered to join the military?

Yes. See http://www.objector.org/advice/contents.html for info.

[waioli kai]

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"Hello, HPD? I'd like to report a flagrant and direct threat..."
(Oh, did I say that out loud?)
I'm 101% certain that Ryan will ban this Boowa idiot the instant he sees the post. Mahalo in advance, Ryan.

That boowa character is probably out of HPD's jurisdiction; probably posts from a U.S. government computer, on some military units payroll from around Pearl Harbor or Kaneohe, confined to base because he's deemed to be a danger to our community, but safe enough to unleash in other U.S.-occupied territories, sik on other peoples in fascUSt$' nation-building operations.

"Hello FBI? Yes, I'd like to report ..."

[1stwahine]

Re: Iraq War Called Illegal by Hawai‘i Army Lieutenant

That boowa character is probably out of HPD's jurisdiction; probably posts from a U.S. government computer, on some military units payroll from around Pearl Harbor or Kaneohe, confined to base because he's deemed to be a danger to our community, but safe enough to unleash in other U.S.-occupied territories, sik on other peoples in fascUSt$' nation-building operations.

"Hello FBI? Yes, I'd like to report ..."

It's in HPD's jurisdiction. It's done.

Mahalo,

1stwahine

[waioli kai]

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wkai= --'Wars that are criminal, wars that are illegal, wars that are immoral should be opposed by the soldiers, marines and airmen who are ordered to engage in such wars. US's U.S. War on Iraq is just such a war that should be opposed.'--

MadAzza= -- "Right. And I'm sure the great warrior Kamehameha would have granted clemency to any of his troops who chickened out -- er, "opposed" killing those they were fighting." --

So, by inference, the 1930s-1940s Nazi soldiers rounding up socialists, gypsies, jews and the destitute were just doing their jobs, doing what they were told, doing what was expected of them, and, to do otherwise would have been to "chicken out"? Or, are you more familiar with the life and times of Kamehameha, than you are familiar with the Nazi-era Europe?

[Adri]

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Apparently he could have (at least that's
what he said in the news conference yesterday), but decided it was more cowardly to take this route than it was refuse to deploy and to face a court martial and jail time, even though his Dad petitioned for CO status and ended up serving in the Peace Corps in Peru for a few years of alternative service during the Vietnam era.

Miulang

I don't think it's cowardly to seek CO status if there really is an honest basis for it. I just find it odd that a conscientious objector would join the military. Ah well, as has been pointed out, it's other folk who are talking about CO status for him. He's not seeking that for himself. I respect the people who serve their country especially in the most difficult ways. I think the military and all their support people definitely deserve respect but those who truly feel they are keeping our government honest and are trying to do so in non-violent ways deserve respect too.

Thanks Leo Lakio!

[Leo Lakio]

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I just find it odd that a conscientious objector would join the military.

He believed in the Bush administration's arguments in favor of war in Iraq when he joined; he has since lost that belief. Independent thinkers can do that.

[Miulang]

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He believed in the Bush administration's arguments in favor of war in Iraq when he joined; he has since lost that belief. Independent thinkers can do that.

This country needs more independent thinkers instead of the people who are too lazy to think for themselves and trust others to form opinions for them.

Miulang

[Adri]

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He believed in the Bush administration's arguments in favor of war in Iraq when he joined; he has since lost that belief. Independent thinkers can do that.

Sorry, I wasn't talking about Watada specifically when I said I thought it was odd that a CO would volunteer to join the military ~ that was my response to the thought that someone who volunteered to join the military could also be a CO. With respect to Watada, he's not a CO since only objects to this particular war

eta: Although I suppose one could join the military and then discover one's beliefs are such that one is actually a CO.